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  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    If I steal food from the store, I’m both robbing the store, and a community that would have paid good money for that food.

    If I go to the store and magically have the items on the shelves be duplicated into my cart, and I don’t have to pay for them. That is not a crime that is a miracle

    • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑@lemmy.world
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      Consider this. (big chain) Stores already steal from the community via profits they make.

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        And while we’re on about food, look at how much the grocery stores toss out.

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        Two wrongs don’t make a right. Theft is theft.

        • n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          No, but three lefts make a right!

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            You are goddamn right!

        • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑@lemmy.world
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          Didn’t ask for your meaningless sayings that do not apply to real life

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    • aidan@lemmy.world
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      Exactly true, and as applied to patents: if I steal your fish you go hungry, if I watch how you fish and do the same we both eat.

    • programmer_having_errors@sh.itjust.works
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      bruh

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    • BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world
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      If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to take from a man his thought, his will, his personality, is a power of life and death; and that to enslave a man is to kill him. Why, then, to this other question: What is property! may I not likewise answer, It is robbery, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first? I undertake to discuss the vital principle of our government and our institutions, property: I am in my right. I may be mistaken in the conclusion which shall result from my investigations: I am in my right. I think best to place the last thought of my book first: still am I in my right. Such an author teaches that property is a civil right, born of occupation and sanctioned by law; another maintains that it is a natural right, originating in labor, — and both of these doctrines, totally opposed as they may seem, are encouraged and applauded. I contend that neither labor, nor occupation, nor law, can create property; that it is an effect without a cause: am I censurable? But murmurs arise! Property is robbery! That is the war-cry of ’93! That is the signal of revolutions!

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        • BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world
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          I don’t agree with some of that stuff.

          How do you know before you read the entire argument? 🤔

          • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
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            I don’t agree with some of that stuff.

            How do you know before you read the entire argument?

            By reading some of it, I suppose.

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              read the linked text if you are interested in debating me 😁😂🤣😅 I am not gonna make the same argument but worse than proudhon if you don’t care or have time or attention span for that but then you probably shouldn’t say it’s bullshit without knowing what you are talking about 😘

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            • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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              No. The first argument is that the author can equate slavery to murder without being misunderstood. They then expound further on that meaning. They say nothing about wages.

              The second argument says that in contrast one cannot equate property to robbery without being grossly misunderstood, which you have so eloquently demonstrated.

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                No, it is from a 19th century socialist, this sort of language isn’t easily understood by most people in the modern day. And to act like it should be so insightful to them is sophistry.

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                  I’m not taking offense that they didn’t understand the argument. I’m taking offense that they openly admitted to not reading it, and then attempting to summarize what it said, poorly. If that’s sophistry, so be it. They’re being willfully ignorant.

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                • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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                  A line break or paragraphs or literally any formatting at all would have helped. I suspect it’s an artifact of how the full quote was done as the link, though.

  • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I mean, it’s not

    It’s piracy, a different crime

    A crime I love committing babyyyyyyyyyy

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      We here at Futurama do not condone the cool crime of burglary.

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      Yeah, when you steal something from someone then he does not have it anymore. With indefinitely replicable virtual goods that is not the case.

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    “Property is theft!” ~ EA

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    What is renting?

    • n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Can I get Bullshit answers for $1,000 Alex

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      Renting is what buying is for corporations today.

  • arthurpizza@lemmy.world
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    If I steal your bicycle
    you have to take the bus,
    but if I just copy it
    there’s one for each of us!

    • Willer@lemmy.world
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      im a bicycle store owner and this is so true

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        I like to think this implies that people are coming into your store and cloning the bicycles

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          You wouldn’t download a bicycle would you?

  • The Barto@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s the theft of profit they don’t like, they don’t care if you watch it, just that you give them money for the opportunity to watch.

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      No, they still don’t like it when I buy a copy of a video game and then pirate it as well

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        yup. anti-piracy is about control, not profits. this is trivial to deduce from the simple fact that no one ever measures a drm solution’s performance in total sales recovered, they only ever whine about hypothetical lost ones, which is the corporate equivalent of sideways for attention, long way for effect

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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    You aren’t stealing from the person you’re getting it from, you’re stealing from the person who created it

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    Artists have rights over their work, and no amount of whataboutisms will change that.

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      HOLY SHIT DUDE GOOD POINT GUESS WE SHOULD DELETE THE WHOLE FUCKING COMMUNITY

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      What exact rights though? A right to sell pixels or a right to burn a painting after someone bought it?

    • bitwolf@lemmy.one
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      Unfortunately they sign over most of those rights to their preferred publisher.

      There are always indie platforms they can publish to though

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