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Well, in a democracy it’s important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.
That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.
This is literally the behavior of a traitor
Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole
And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I’ve never seen politicians work so fast at anything
And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.
Oh trump’s definitely not the “daddy” in this relationship.
Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD
Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He’s been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.
This bill won’t even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump’s ear over it.
Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.
It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.
It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it’s not actually relevant since it’s going nowhere.
Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I’m just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.
all of which is advantageous for putin.
Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.
Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east. Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw. Step 3: PROFIT.
That’s fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.
Unfortunately, that’s not how Imperial Presidencies work.
Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.
On the other hand… I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn’t risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.
Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find “justifications” to raid through middle america and “bring idiocrazy” to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain’t “a good godfearing white patriot”… Because… the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum… Oh god, I’ve heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies…
Please, anyone stop them now!!!
I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.
Yes, why do people never learn from history… Especially when it endangers their lives
Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!
Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.
Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?
Don’t threaten me with a good time time
Yeah, no, that’s not going to be a good time for anyone
Except everyone who isn’t in NATO or near an American military base lmao
USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.
Gotta make daddy putin happy
So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?
So far they’ve introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they’re trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they’ll have no power.
The worship of limitless work and the military, a toxic obsession with hyper-individualism and isolation, with a paper-thin facade of morals and self-proclaimation of greatness, while everyone is broke, without opportunities, hooked on drugs, and stuck with crumbling infrastructure in vast stretches of remote nothing-land, while getting used and abused by multinational corporations and barons?
Sounds like they’re just pushing the mentality of the southern states to a national level.
It’s worse: the US president’s only remaining power will be military. And when the only tool you have is a hammer…
WWIII is not a meme. It is imperative that the American people correct the course of their nation before it is too late.
Yes. The most charitable interpretation is that people have forgotten the lessons of the 1900s and think that a replay of Herbert Hoover is a good idea.
Last time it took a few decades and destroying countless lives to fix. Hopefully the cost is lower this time.
Nah they want to attack whoever they fell like without having to go through a meeting.
“This is an invasion that could have been an email!”
US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”
NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”
US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡
Trump isn’t wrong that European NATO countries have needed to increase their defence spending for a long time. It remains to be seen which European NATO countries will actually do so or can: words are easy. (Just call Trump ‘Daddy’ and agree to whatever he says lol before continuing with whatever we intended to do all along anyway!)
Trump and many other Americans in positions of power obviously have been Russian assets to various degrees for a long time now, but the last thing Russia wants is Trump’s actions forcing Europe to spend more on defence, and end their reliance on the US.
Russia would prefer complacent European NATO/EU nations relying on America, who would pull the rug out from under them - similar to what America has done to Ukraine - when Russia was in a position to attack NATO further. I guess the timing just won’t be right for that outcome, unless Trump forces a third term, so Putin will be happy with what he has achieved.
As well as a Russian asset Trump is also just a bit of a moron who doesn’t see the value in the US dollar as global reserve currency. Maybe he sees the rise of China and thinks ‘this is what the US needs to do again. Go back to developing world status and become the world’s factory in order to rise later as China is now’. Trump doesn’t appear have much in the way of strategic thinking. He appears to have an unchangeable very out of date world view, and more he is driven by the pathological impulse to acquire everything he can for himself. The uber-pig.
This return to developing world status would be great for billionaires but not for your average American, never mind brown skinned Americans, women, the poor (ironically Trump’s base I guess), and other minorities.
I suppose with this post I have rendered myself persona-non-grata in the US now for the next several years and probably beyond (once border policies are put in place they don’t change easily). Pity. I like the Americans I have known and always wanted to visit.
It’s a common American view that the other countries weren’t spending “enough”, whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it’s America that’s spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.
My comment on Europe needing to spend more was simply in terms of the reality of facing down a belligerent Russia.
Americans generally do not seem to understand that their massive military spending is actually in support of and necessary as long as they wanted the dollar as global reserve currency. This doesn’t surprise me and isn’t really a criticism (we have similar issues in the UK). The American people I have come across online appear to have grown up being told they are exceptional, the best, apparently without actually being told the reality of 20th century economic history.
The world was forced to buy oil in dollars due to the arrangement the US made with the Saudis, meaning the world had to buy US debt if it wanted oil. Obviously in this scenario the US print the money other people are borrowing facilitating the transfer of wealth that is coming to an end. When the likes of Saddam Hussein said he was going to sell oil in Euros he got a good ol’ dose of freedom. The 9/11 attackers were Saudis but the US would never touch them due to this arrangement. Anyway, this is why US defence spending has been what it has been. It isn’t the case that the rest of the world should have paid more. In fact the rest of the world paid the US deficit at least in part by this mechanism. Trump is bringing those halcyon days to a premature end intentionally because now he wants the likes of Europe to pay US debts but not get military support lol.
If/when the US doesn’t spend that money on military support of regions like Europe the US are reneging on their agreement and so they no longer get that global reserve currency status, everybody sells US debt, the dollar is greatly weakened (which might be what Trump wants, in terms of making US made goods affordable for people outside the US, whether misguided or not) and presumably interest rates rise considerably. Moving away from SWIFT and the WTO are 100% unambiguous signals of the EU’s intent to ‘dedollarise’ we have seen in just the last few days.
This reserve currency status is roughly what has given America a large amount of unearned global wealth post ww2, and more or less allowed boomers to buy a home on one wage etc. Changing it is a huge upheaval on US life that will last many decades. Military spending has supported the dollar, Trump is more or less throwing that away.
I’m pretty sure that last decade or so has shown that Europe doesn’t spend enough. It’s not just Russia’s invasion. Military action in Libya was reliant on the US to sustain more than a few days of action.
