Please read testosterone rex and delusions of gender both by Cordelia Fine to see that biological essentialism, especially about sex hormones, is often bunk.
I appreciate the suggestion. I’m familiar with these books. Imo, they both jump to conclusions about the large grey areas between what is and isn’t bunk when it comes to sex hormones rather than admit we scientifically have no solid answers about those questions and are still looking.
I encourage you to have a good talk with any trans person that has transitioned. Their very valid and common experiences taking these hormones to transition heavily suggest otherwise.
As all it takes is those hormones, and your physical biology will change with them. (Men will grow breasts, and Women facial hair.) Which means unquestionably, that these hormones are tied to our biological sex, and likely the behaviour associated with it, seeing as our bodies have the flexibility to easily become the other gender with them.
I enourage you to have a good talk with any trans person who has transitioned.
We are trans and have transitioned on hormones (estrogen etc) and still hold the same views as what happened for us was not the hormones that made us less angry etc but more acceptance and understanding from both others and ourselves. We can still be very angry about certain things and express that in many ways but it is much less likely now because we learned the tools in order to deal with those things from partners, therapists etc in healthy ways, not because of hormones. We felt like we were allowed to cry etc.
Edit: You seem to be using very terfy/biologically essentialist talking points in other ways in saying that trans men are women and trans women are men and that those are the only sexes/genders that exist. Please do not do this as it is incorrect and comes across as transphobic and anti-science.
I am in no way a biological essentialist and am using simpler terms people are more familiar with to make my point.
I find it rather insulting that you would come to this conclusion after I readily explained how little our biology determines our identity, and how it can quite literally be changed through hormones, specifically:
End of my last comment:
… all it takes is those hormones, and your physical biology will change with them… our bodies have the flexibility to easily become the other gender…
How could that possibly come across as Terfy?
We are literally agreeing with each other about the trans experience too:
… what happened for us was not the hormones that made us less angry etc but more acceptance and understanding from both others and ourselves. We can still be very angry… but it is much less likely now…
That is, you admit there has been a change in the frequency of your anger after transitioning, correct?
To be very clear: I’m not at all doubting the roles that acceptance, understanding, a good partner, therapists, and more have in regulating our emotions, or the extreme effort you have put into doing the same for yourself.
I’m simply saying: it is possible these hormones also contribute to our emotional state, specifically amplifying the emotions you already have as a person - rather than not affecting our emotional state at all as concluded by the books you mention.
Books, specifically, that actual Terfs OFTEN misquote to jump to a black and white conclusion about gender and hormones.
Bookmark this article and refer to it the next time a TERF stars using… Cordelia Fine… to invalidate trans people.
Which is, admittedly, what I felt you were doing in your first comment. Specifically, in how you implied there’s no grey area left in science that’s still determining the influences our hormones have over our emotions.
Which, as of 2024, is starting to look unquestionably real:
Hormonal fluctuations significantly influence mood, particularly with reproductive hormones at various life stages. Recognizing these patterns can be the first step toward managing mood more effectively.
Which is exactly what I’ve previously stated.
I have several people in my life that have likewise transitioned. I even know of someone that was born intersex, and transitioned to female in their late 20’s.
Conversations with them have been enlightening, as most agree that hormones are at least a PART of the reason they too felt better about their emotional states after transitioning. To quote one in particular, “Anger juice (T) is no longer the only fuel this body takes.”
Please read testosterone rex and delusions of gender both by Cordelia Fine to see that biological essentialism, especially about sex hormones, is often bunk.
I appreciate the suggestion. I’m familiar with these books. Imo, they both jump to conclusions about the large grey areas between what is and isn’t bunk when it comes to sex hormones rather than admit we scientifically have no solid answers about those questions and are still looking.
I encourage you to have a good talk with any trans person that has transitioned. Their very valid and common experiences taking these hormones to transition heavily suggest otherwise.
As all it takes is those hormones, and your physical biology will change with them. (Men will grow breasts, and Women facial hair.) Which means unquestionably, that these hormones are tied to our biological sex, and likely the behaviour associated with it, seeing as our bodies have the flexibility to easily become the other gender with them.
We are trans and have transitioned on hormones (estrogen etc) and still hold the same views as what happened for us was not the hormones that made us less angry etc but more acceptance and understanding from both others and ourselves. We can still be very angry about certain things and express that in many ways but it is much less likely now because we learned the tools in order to deal with those things from partners, therapists etc in healthy ways, not because of hormones. We felt like we were allowed to cry etc.
Edit: You seem to be using very terfy/biologically essentialist talking points in other ways in saying that trans men are women and trans women are men and that those are the only sexes/genders that exist. Please do not do this as it is incorrect and comes across as transphobic and anti-science.
I am in no way a biological essentialist and am using simpler terms people are more familiar with to make my point.
I find it rather insulting that you would come to this conclusion after I readily explained how little our biology determines our identity, and how it can quite literally be changed through hormones, specifically:
End of my last comment:
How could that possibly come across as Terfy?
We are literally agreeing with each other about the trans experience too:
That is, you admit there has been a change in the frequency of your anger after transitioning, correct?
To be very clear: I’m not at all doubting the roles that acceptance, understanding, a good partner, therapists, and more have in regulating our emotions, or the extreme effort you have put into doing the same for yourself.
I’m simply saying: it is possible these hormones also contribute to our emotional state, specifically amplifying the emotions you already have as a person - rather than not affecting our emotional state at all as concluded by the books you mention.
Books, specifically, that actual Terfs OFTEN misquote to jump to a black and white conclusion about gender and hormones.
https://trans-express.lgbt/post/185913420710/on-how-terfs-misrepresent-science-and-feminism
Which is, admittedly, what I felt you were doing in your first comment. Specifically, in how you implied there’s no grey area left in science that’s still determining the influences our hormones have over our emotions.
Which, as of 2024, is starting to look unquestionably real:
https://www.broadwayclinic.com/article/how-are-mind-hormones-linked-to-emotional-shifts
Which is exactly what I’ve previously stated.
I have several people in my life that have likewise transitioned. I even know of someone that was born intersex, and transitioned to female in their late 20’s.
Conversations with them have been enlightening, as most agree that hormones are at least a PART of the reason they too felt better about their emotional states after transitioning. To quote one in particular, “Anger juice (T) is no longer the only fuel this body takes.”