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Things seem to have moved after the Cabinet meeting this morning, but there are some pretty big caveats:

[The announcement] will stipulate the need for the release of all the hostages still held by Hamas and be based on a guarantee the terror group no longer rules Gaza, sources say.

Also made me wonder how Starmer’s conversation with Trump went yesterday. Not good?

  • Mr Poletski@feddit.ukEnglish
    30·
    17 days ago

    will stipulate the need for the release of all the hostages still held by Hamas

    Ah, that old chestnut. So the UK will only recognise palestine as a state when the IDF says that all the hostages have been recovered.

    So that’ll be at the tail end of never then.

    • Pyr@lemmy.ca
      11·
      17 days ago

      It’s definitely pretty much impossible, since I am betting a few of the hostages have died since the capture without anyone being notified so even if they release everyone, the IDF can still claim they have some even though they likely died many weeks/months ago.

    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOPMEnglish
      61·
      17 days ago

      Yeah, it’s pretty weak sauce. I don’t see that the UK has much leverage, but that being the case, we ought to be just doing the moral thing. As I said in the OP, I do wonder how the chat with Trump - who, gods help us, is one of the few people who does have leverage - fed into the calculation of this statement.

        • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOPMEnglish
          51·
          16 days ago

          I don’t think so. Even Netanyahu’s response to this shows he’s going to ignore us completely.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            3·
            16 days ago

            Whatever it stop netenyahu or not doesn’t matter. It’s uk and any un state members obligation to use all their leaverage against a genocide since they signed the geneva and genocide convension

            • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOPMEnglish
              22·
              16 days ago

              This is a perfectly fine argument that I already agreed with a mere two comments ago when I said:

              I don’t see that the UK has much leverage, but that being the case, we ought to be just doing the moral thing.

              With bold, this time. You know, in case it helps.

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                2·
                16 days ago

                I don’t see why you said even Netanyahu’s response to this shows he’s going to ignore us completely then.

                We still disagree about the uk having no leaverage too

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            5·
            17 days ago

            Uk has no eminent security risk so there is no reason to by and sells arms from/to israel. Israel is the 44th trading parner of the uk so they can also impose sanctions on israel

            • silasmariner@programming.dev
              12·
              16 days ago

              Israel is the 44th trading partners of Israel? Sorry what the fuck are you trying to say here?

              Ok makes sense now you’ve edited it 😀

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                5·
                17 days ago

                I mean israel is only uk’s 44th trade partner accounting for only about 0.3% of total UK trade. The uk could impose sanctions on israel

                • Senal@programming.devEnglish
                  21·
                  17 days ago

                  Is direct trade that only issue that determines whether or not sanctions could be applied?

                  Surely there’s general politics bulshittery in the mix ?