Who the fuck is Kamala Harris?
Former vice president of the United States, who ran in place of Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee in the 2024 US presidential election.
Oh so she’s had a come around since her time in CA when she fought to keep trans women in men’s prisons?
Just so I make sure I understand, is this about the CA DOC policies that were being enforced? Because iirc, those were not her policies, but were her job to enforce at direction, and not something there was discretion with. And then worked to change that policy with the DOC. Was there something else?
“it was just their job to beat them slowly to death. Due to policy they didn’t have the discretion to not beat them, but at least if they were holding the stick the beatings could be a little gentler.”
Oh, I see.
She’s at fault for long standing policies created before she got into a position that still couldn’t change those policies, which she worked to change by discussing with those who could so others didnt have to have the same experience.
My mistake. Thanks for clarifying.
Edit: for the record, I find it frustrating that we can’t move to the left at all because its never enough for some people. There is always some purity test being failed, always some perfection that must somehow magically be achieved.
And then I end up with friends and family fearing for their lives here because the right is fine with a little at a time towards fascism, but everything on the left is divided into their little camps of absolutist approach to everything.
Its so damn frustrating. Ffs get every win you can, even the little ones.
I want to add to your “we can’t move to the left…” opinion. A lot of people will say that we can’t move left if we accept these people. I think it’s the opposite. A lot of the left has made it so useless to cooperate with them, because no matter what you do it won’t be enough, that they just don’t bother. They believe it’s more beneficial to pander to the right.
Make them earn your vote, but make sure it’s easy enough to win that they don’t instead decide to not try.
Yeah, I expressed the same in another comment. Its impossible to move left if moving right is the only way to get elected. That isn’t the same thing as saying stop if it gets a little better, just that goals need to be achievable.
Over 250 years of injustice can’t be corrected by one person in a single term. It just isn’t realistic.
Perpetuating the status quo is not “moving to the left”
Those who perpetuate harm under direction are no less guilty than those who directed it. “Just following orders” is NEVER an excuse.
Clearly getting Trump the win made everything better rather than having her in office!
Let us all rejoice that we didnt end up with the woman who filed paperwork and argued against a policy, getting it changed, didnt make it into the office of the presidency.
A clear win. 100%.
She was the least bad of the two choices by orders of magnitude. That does not absolve her of her own misdeeds in the slightest and we should brook no excuses for her behavior. False binaries help noone.
We had two choices.
Ideological purity tests played their role in one of them getting elected, and it sure as shit wasn’t the better option.
So now I’m spending another day coordinating with a friend to figure out how to get her out of the country because the transfer option didnt work out, and there is less than a year before she’d need to renew.
But hey, purity tests more important amirite?
I’m not saying she should be absolved of any and all wrongdoing. But acting like its the crime of the fucking century is ridiculous, and frankly abhorrent behavior. Its this type of crap that got us into this mess.
Every single far right pos will take every little gain they can. And then we have the left - and honestly, while I’m more into the stateless approach, I really wouldn’t care if we went to democratic socialism, some form of communism, whatever - where if there is one thing, no matter how accurate and right it is to be against it, it becomes the only thing that matters, despite the other option being a walking atrocity kaiju version of the same thing.
False binary? It was literally the election we just had. You don’t even need to leave Lemmy to see the constant doom and gloom around the very idea of Harris winning.
Knowing what she did and accepting that she was still a better option by the largest possible margin, and supporting her, that would have allowed for an opportunity.
But now thats gone. Further and further every single day. And at every opportunity, no matter what she says, there are people who will complain about it - see the very first comment I’m this thread.
I can accept that she did things that were wrong, and still recognize that without her, the DOC may never have changed their policies. I can recognize that someone else would have been put to the same task.
So instead we get Trump, and some people are labeled terrorists simply by existing as the person they really are.
Yes, I’m fucking salty about it. And I will continue to be every time someone decides to prop up their ideological purity over making things actually better.
She’s at fault for long standing policies created before she got into a position that still couldn’t change those policies
She is not at fault for the existence of those policies. Her fault is being willingly and knowingly complicit in enacting, enabling and furthering those policies. The only evidence of her “opposition” is she “worked to change by discussing”.
Actively beating someone while passively saying “I don’t want to do this” doesn’t negate the harm that is being inflicted.
its never enough for some people. There is always some purity test being failed, always some perfection that must somehow magically be achieved.
That is what is called “pushing to the left”. The “right” does it and it seems to work out fine, remember when “repealing Roe V Wade” was the purity test and magical perfection back in the early 00s.
Ffs get every win you can, even the little ones.
How is “this person actively harms trans people under the slightest pressure” a “win” for trans people?
That is what is called “pushing to the left”.
Not when those further left lose to the right. Not when not being perfectly whatever isn’t good enough to get voted for.
Pushing for more left policy after defeating the right wing is a move to the left. A loss to the right doesnt move a single needle anywhere left.
How is “this person actively harms trans people under the slightest pressure” a “win” for trans people?
Compared to being afraid and leaving their home of over a decade, only to still be afraid and now desperate to find a way out of the country?
Yeah, to me that would have been a win.
Instead we have this bullshit.
Not when those further left lose to the right.
We could go into the nuance on why that framing is bullshit and how it’s been an incredibly effective rightist talking point for well over 2 decades, but ultimately (especially within the US and with modern ‘attention economy’) populists win elections irregardless of how far left vs. right they are.1
Pushing for more left policy after defeating the right wing is a move to the left.
“Left” vs. “right” is nothing more than a matter of perspective within an Overton window. It can never be “deafeted”. Arguing you can only go “left” once “right” is no longer an option guaran-fuckin-tees that the Overton window shifts right.
Compared to being afraid and leaving their home of over a decade, only to still be afraid and now desperate to find a way out of the country?
In the same way that notable leftist Jim Crow Joe protected Roe V Wade?
You will continue to have this bullshit until you learn that just because someone says they are your friend, doesn’t make it so. Look at what they do, not what they say.
^1 arguably a bit disingenuous as the #1 factor, especially in the US, is campaign spending. But that’s arguably “strategy” not “messaging” and felt like it was going off topic.^
Look at what they do, not what they say.
I’m going to need to end this conversation, because holy fuck JUST LOOK AROUND.
Emboldened hatemongers, mirroring the progression of Nazis, people who are terrified for their lives because the hard right administration is putting a target on them…
But yeah “left and right is meaningless”.
I’m not interest in this as some sort of scholastic debate. Real people are at risk and you want to try and insinuate there is no difference between Harris and Trump???
I don’t have the capacity tonight to put up with this kind of nonsense.
Enjoy your day.
HAH! HAha Hahahaha… I’m not laughing because I’m happy she said that. I’m laughing because she’s lying and everyone knows it.
This sounds like something someone who would turn on trans people would say
