• Yggstyle@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      I may be misremembering… because we’re in the process of “correcting” our history but:

      Wasn’t “no taxation without representation” kinda a foundation on which this nation was formed? Just sayin’

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        Unless you live in a US territory or DC, you have representation.

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          Depending on where you live, “representation” means less than the paper it’s written on.

          Do you oppose AI-powered surveillance in your local city? Golly, that’s swell and all, but they already made up their mind months ago! Everything else is just a formality, and they’re more than happy to make it as difficult as possible for you to be heard during public meetings.

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            This genuinely does parallel early american colonial plights surprisingly well. Also: I’m not sure if you picked that example intentionally - but I have to say it’s pretty topical ;) 📎

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            Argue against representative democracies, then. Claiming it doesn’t exist is just wrong, though.

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              Your comments have a certain vibe about them, don’t they?

              They hold elections in Russia.

              Based on your logic - I imagine they have a great deal of choice then, as well.

              Breathe easy! I don’t expect a response:

              Government is flawed in all forms and corruption can fundamentally prevent any flavor of it from working as intended.

              There are infinite circular arguments that can spin up from nitpicking any obvious issues… available to anyone seeking the low hanging fruit. Your comments here do a fine job of providing examples.

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                “Vibes” are not evidence, and “Bad thing exists that claims to do good thing, so good thing must actually be bad!” is not a reasonable argument. I never claimed any democracy is perfect, or even suggested as much.

                If you hate being “nitpicked” over your unfounded arguments, maybe don’t make them, then.

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                  … and if you have something meaningful to add to a conversation or post: I’d suggest something more substantial than “Nuh, uh - prove me wrong” or some other equally low effort form of trolling. It’s practically textbook. At least attempt to mask it.

                  I digress.

                  Topically - I enjoy discussion. With that said: only one of us attempted to polarize an observation into a black and white topic. Curious. Vibes seem to check out.

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                    “Starts off claiming [thing] doesn’t exist. Accuses others of ‘polarizing’ discussion and calls them trolls.” Sure thing, bub.

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          “If you have an issue with the tea taxes please direct your concerns to your representative in the house of lords”

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            Did colonists get to vote on their representative every 2 years? No? Ok, not the same then.

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              It should be noted that the colonies did have their fair share of English apologists. Thank you for offering up an example that can be used in the present day.

              While “ack-shu-ally” history does not repeat itself - it does tend to rhyme.

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                Feel free to explain how anything I’ve said qualifies as being an “apologist”.

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      Yeah, I’ll just start claiming nonexistent dependants. Or I’ll start claiming my pets as my children on all legal documents.

      Probably isn’t that hard to get forgeries of all sorts of documentation like birth certificates, etc.

      • You probably don’t even have to try very hard. My cat, which I had when I was a kid and died of old age decades ago, regularly gets preapproved credit card offers sent to my father’s house. Still.

        Yes, literally a cat. Like, furry, pointy ears, tail, and meow?

        I have to think it would be fairly trivial if I put my mind to it and had larceny in my heart to eventually build up enough documentation to get at least some state entities to believe my dead cat is actually a living human, and then do any old thing with that identity.