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miss those vague error messages, not.
That means nothing
As opposed to silently changing your default browser?
So, as with many other people. this stuff is certainly pushing me into Linux.
That said, is there no chance of the EU restarting their probes towards them with all the dark patterns they’ve been using to push people into Edge?
My day job is to fight ONE aspect of shady MS stuff. I don’t have time or money at home to fight ALL of MS’s shady shit at home.
@herseycokguzelolacak Just like how clicking any web links (be it from the shitty widgets menu or from windows search) that open the browser, open as edge:// links which force opening on Microsoft Edge even if it’s not your default browser. This sucks but at least I can uninstall Edge easily from the settings (maybe because I am in the EU)
Seriously considering switching to Linux lately!
“oopsie reawwy sowwy uwu”
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Can I run Windows 7 in a VM if I am forced to use 10 or 11 somehow?
Maybe try ReviOS? It’s a “playbook” file you run on a clean Windows 11 install that strips out all of the telemetry and junk, and mostly “just works”. The only big potential pain point, imho, is not getting automatic driver updates from Windows Update.
I just installed CachyOS with virt-manager running ReviOS in a virtual machine. For my needs, it’s amazing. Arch Linux allows for easy updates to the latest versions of software and CachyOS further improves it with optimized, pre-compiled packages, which is particularly relevant for a smooth gaming experience. (Outdated packages aren’t a good mix with new games, and the optimized packages improve performance.)
The only “big” challenge I’ve had with Windows is getting videoconferencing working smoothly (my webcam is flickery), but that’s not a big deal. Zoom in Linux works great, and Teams/Zoom both work well in browser (in Linux). So, most of my work stuff is in the VM, but I have Zoom and a separate browser (for Teams meetings) installed in Linux.
This setup requires a bit of technical skill; you need to be able to find and follow guides. (Ex. I needed to troubleshoot why I couldn’t change the VM resolution, and the fix was to download a set of VM tools in Windows.) If you have light technical skills to search for and read guides, it shouldn’t be too challenging.
(I use Arch, by the way.)
You can
- run your favorite flavor of Arch on your bare metal
- use Aero theme plasma with KDE
- legitimately install VMware Workstation Pro, since it’s free now.
- run windows 7 in a VM with extended kernel patches. (bonus points for making your windows VM immutable)
Hm, I’ll see what I can do about that. I have a Value Village rescue PC that will soon be set up.
Why the hell would you want to?
In case I want to use a OS that still works, as opposed to the user-hostile resource-depleting exhausting visual messes like Windows 11?
In case I want to use a OS that still works
Don’t use 7, you’re just asking for malware
It’s actually fine if it doesn’t have internet connection.
That’s true of any OS.
Who uses an OS without internet though lol
For old software that don’t work on modern OSes.
You must know that’s not a majority of the people refusing to update to 11 lol
Sure, but they’re asking for Windows 7 specifically which is already not supported for a while.
I’ve heard that the last time I said I till use 7, six months ago. Still waiting for that malware. You understand the only way to get this malware is to actively download it and install it, yes?
Thats not remotely true, there’s many ways to inject things through ads or hacked websites onto your computer without you intentionally installing or downloading anything. Much much more rare and on updated systems generally will be better protected from those things, however using an outdated OS intentionally is asking for trouble.
Using an adblocker solves that. Not sure how that is specific to Win 7. Hacked websites? Name an example, source it. Difficulty: not from a movie with a skull and crossbones laughing on my screen. None of these hacker fantasies happen in real life. You do have a big hosts file and manage your router, yes? Give me a link to a “hacked website” (F! U! D! Oh my!) right now that I can click on and will install malware on my Windows 7 PC.
Simply untrue. Hollywood fantasies.
It’s called a Drive-by Compromise:
Adversaries may gain access to a system through a user visiting a website over the normal course of browsing. Multiple ways of delivering exploit code to a browser exist (i.e., Drive-by Target), including:
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A legitimate website is compromised, allowing adversaries to inject malicious code
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Script files served to a legitimate website from a publicly writeable cloud storage bucket are modified by an adversary
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Malicious ads are paid for and served through legitimate ad providers (i.e., Malvertising)
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Built-in web application interfaces that allow user-controllable content are leveraged for the insertion of malicious scripts or iFrames (e.g., cross-site scripting)
Browser push notifications may also be abused by adversaries and leveraged for malicious code injection via User Execution. By clicking “allow” on browser push notifications, users may be granting a website permission to run JavaScript code on their browser.
It’s not Hollywood fantasy, as you claim. It is a well documented attack vector.
normal course of browsing
This is a browser security and PEBKAC error, nothing to do with Windows 7. You’ve simply proven my point that all these attacks are installed and run by the user. If they’re tricked by the site, that’s not on Windows 7.
Your AI generated summary, again, lacks evidence. I asked for a site, or a source where what you claim credibly happened, not just repeating the same myths in a circular series of arguments.
" via User Execution. By clicking “allow” on browser push notifications"
Which is what I said: “the only way to get this malware is to actively download it and install it, yes?”
So you agreed with me on all points, why write so much, though? A simple “yes” would suffice next time. Or “HugeNerd, as usual, is correct and his Windows 7 machine has been running 24/7 for months uncompromised through the miracle of using a hosts file, managing his router, and using his tiny old brain.”
Your AI generated summary, again, lacks evidence. I asked for a site, or a source where what you claim credibly happened, not just repeating the same myths in a circular series of arguments.
I used no AI. Had you actually paid attention you’d see that I cited my source in the first link. The summary I posted it a direct quote from that source. Just because you don’t like what you read that doesn’t automatically make it AI slop.
I don’t feel like refuting any of your other, unsourced assumptions. Good luck with your beloved Windows 7.
Its not even the same person who replied lmfao
Why don’t you provide evidence to your claim that the only way to get malware on an outdated os is by downloading and installing something lmfao.
A majority of users still using 7 are not technically savvy and wouldn’t likely know to harden their devices to that extent, trust me I deal with them Irl for my work at a financial company.
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there is a security risk so no
Please describe the nature of this risk, and explain why I don’t have any of them?
No OS is safe, because within millions of lines of code, it is bound to have some vulnerabilities that can be exploited.
But what is absolutely unsafe, is an unsupported OS, where the vulnerabilities that are found are not solved/patched
I agree, all I ask is you show me one in Windows 7. Send me a URL that when I click it my bank account is emptied immediately.
All these threats people see are always something you actively install or are involved in, or some sort of social engineering scam. Even Windows 17 can’t help you with that.
Classic anti vaxer logic
Yeah, it’s called the Mint version.
/j
Seriously this!
Win7 in a VM work great in Linux. But what you SHOULD do is just install Linux Mint and use it for a week.
I laughed at Microsoft a lot when they basically made Windows 10 beg people to try edge.
You tried to change your default and it was like, this isn’t recommended! And you’re like, idgaf change the default, and Windows is like, are you sure? Yes! But edge can save battery power. Are you really sure?
Fuck off edge. Change the default.
Are you sure?
I work IT support. I’ve seen the dialog about 1000 times.
It’s crazy how many people prefer a browser that’s not edge.
They seem to have removed it in Windows 11, and even might have disabled it in later versions of 10. Idk, everything I’m dealing with now in terms of new setups are Windows 11.
But are you really sure?
You convinced me, it definitely didn’t happen. I was hallucinating again.
Reminds of that kid that trips over and eats a class colleague’s entire banana
“Banana”
Microsoft needs to hire a psychologist or something. Their senseless nagging on forcing shit down our throats doesn’t psychologically work the way they think it does.
Except it does work. Its easy to forget that most users dont really know or care that much about their browser or care what their laptop is doing.
They just click things until something with search bar comes up.
The tech savy people are not their biggest customer group so they can risk annoying some people as long as they know they are getting more people in to their enviroment than they are loosing their users.
Would it work to just delete edge.exe and rename firefox.exe to it?
Nope. Not that simple. Windows will complain left and right and “repair” it self. Their are ways to fully remove edge how ever.
Oof. So that’s why Windows 10+ has almost 400 background services and is so slow.
I hate that Windows is like this
It would be better if people didn’t need to worry about switching.
Microsoft Edge encountered an error: Microsoft Edge is not the default browser. We reset your default browser to Microsoft Edge to resolve the problem
I mean, if the alternative is vanilla Chrome, it hardly matters at this point. They’re both so loaded with tracking your computer will dent the floor, and they have basically the same capabilities.
Obviously FF is better, but what I’m saying is, statistically, for the vast majority, this is only pulling folks off of Chrome.
The worst part is, firefox isn’t better any more, it’s a bloated mess. I was a firefox user for over a decade and finally ditched it last week.
Why though?
I mean the only reason I could think of is that the number of sites which do not support Firefox increases. So I always need Chrome to get some websites working.
What did Firefox that Vivaldi does better?
I find that Chromium derivates do perform much better as long as a Wayland+Nvidia combo isn’t freaking them out.
It’s usually not a huge deal on fast desktops though.
What did Firefox that Vivaldi does better?
So far:
- No AI slop
- Lower CPU usage
- Broader set of extensions (old Chrome + Chrome V3 both supported)
- Nicer interface with actually configurable sidebar
- Configurable keybinds for everything
- Mouse gestures
But as I say, I’ve only been trying it for a few days, and there are several others I want to try before I settle on a permanent replacement.
Ok I get your point, but basically a Firefox alternative like libre wolf would work for you too
What are you using now
I’d recommend Cromite. For desktop and Android, it’s awesome.
DDG browser if you want multi device sync.
I haven’t settled yet, but I’m trying Vivaldi at the moment and liking it so far.
Maybe try LibreWolf, it’s just Firefox with the Mozilla bullshit removed and privacy respecting defaults. It’s identical besides that
Because of the anti fingerprinting changes so many sites don’t work in it though, mapping utilities in particular, and banks.
Yeah, unfortunately LibreWolf’s a bit weird for me in ways I can’t live with.
Also its onboarding process really needs work, the first time I used it I lost all my logins because I wasn’t fully aware LibreWolf doesn’t save any cookies by default, which kinda coloured my experience with it.
I find Librewolf to be a bit annoying as well. You can disable that cookie-deleting behavior, but I was annoyed that when I signed in with my Firefox account that it had deleted my history and synced that deletion, so now my history was gone everywhere.
Zen is my current favorite Firefox derivative. Whether you like it or not will depend on if you like their UI choices. I actually wasn’t a tabs-on-the-side guy, but after using it for a day or so I’ve come to like it a lot.
Waterfox was nice too, but it was a bit unstable last time I used it.
I mean it goes back and forth so much. I remember when Firefox was the king of browsers 15 years maybe 18 years ago. It then got so loaded with shit that Chrome was the only way to go for about 10 years or so now at this point I think it’s pretty much a wash between the two. If nothing else you can use a lighter browser. I personally prefer Chrome because then I can use it on my phone my tablet my computer and have access to all of my tabs as access to all of my searches everything between the three devices.
Unfortunately, I feel this way too. It is easier and more productive for me atm. I would like to get away from Google but it works seamlessly with everything I use.
because then I can use it on my phone my tablet my computer and have access to all of my tabs as access to all of my searches everything between the three devices.
You can do that with Firefox. If you use Android you can also run uBlock in the mobile version of Firefox, which is why I’ll never use Chrome again.
What I meant is there are tons of alternatives to Google-branded Chrome, that are basically Chrome underneath but at least stripped out. Including ones with browser sync across devices.
I am using DuckDuckGo for mobile/desktop sync at the moment. But mostly Cromite (or Firefox) on desktop, and only because Cromite sadly isnt available on iOS.
It’s not a wash anymore though, it’s not even close. Plain Chrome tracks you so much it definitely eats CPU doing so, no matter how many extensions you install.
I mean I’ve started utilizing duck duck go for most of my searches on my phone about five six months ago or so. But that has been limited in a number of things in a professional sense where I have had to switch over to Google to be able to actually find the correct answers that I need.
Their browser, I mean.
You can still use Google search in DDG browser. TBH I feel much safer with that than the other way around.
I remember my Firefox browser got hijacked so badly, that I had to never install it again on one of my computers, because it would pick up the extension I guess that was left behind in app data or something? Anyway, I was afraid to touch it, long after it was cleared.
