• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    14 hours ago

    This has been a huge win for Kimmel, and Free Speech. When he returned, he not only didn’t apologize, he went HARD after Brendan Carr and Trump.

    Clearly, what happened is that the public outcry against ABC was enormous, and ferocious. They are a broadcast TV network that has had an FCC license as long as there have been FCC licenses. They have a responsibility to uphold the First Amendment, and they folded so fast, and so easily, that those who made that decision should all be fired. And America let them know that in far, far bigger numbers than they expected.

    The “talks” that they were having with Kimmel were almost certainly him telling them how this was going to go, because he held ALL the cards. He had the law, the Constitution, and ALL of America on his side. He even had MAGAs on his side. He was negotiating from a position of Ultimate Power. He was going to say whatever he wanted, and they weren’t going to have any say in it.

    This was a battle between MAGA and Free Speech, and Free Speech won big. It was also a battle between Trump and Kimmel, and Kimmel won big, although I prefer to think of it as TRUMP LOST BAD. He was gloating that he had destroyed Kimmel, and now Kimmel is not only back, he is stronger, and more popular than ever, for having won this battle. It will be far more difficult for Trump to fight this sort of battle again. Now that the other networks have seen it play out, they won’t succumb to pressure and threats so easily.

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      52 minutes ago

      Sadly he die apologize in a way though. Did this whole bs about how he didnt want to make fun of his death and almost crying saying that. It was pathetic. The only good think Charlie Kirk ever did was die early and that should be celebrated, not cried over.

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      13 hours ago

      Well. The backlash didn’t Just Happen in the USA. It was across a lot of countries.

      Somewhat feels good that this actually worked Out.

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        Mixed, What the right wanted out of him was groveling and pain. He certainly didn’t do that.

        Most of the mid/left wanted to see him come out and say I’m back bitches and you were all wrong, I didn’t do shit and that guy who has been on video praising the necessity of gun violence got FAFO’d.

        He didn’t do that either.

        He clarified that he was fired over a nothingburger and whose fault it was and repeated his empathy for the family and how horrible the situation was.

        At the very least disney deserved more of a FU, but when neither side gets what they want, and shit returns to normal, negotiations are probably as good as they get.

        We’d like to see the Horst Wessel they’re building be dismantled. But that’s not going to happen here. We’re still going to trudge along in the deep red zone of history.

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          He didn’t retract anything or express regret (because there was nothing to retract or regret). He did explain what he meant.

          So, as I understand, in the classical meaning, that is an apology. But in the contemporary meaning, it is not.

          https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/the-history-of-the-word-apology

          The word’s earliest meaning in English was “something said or written in defense or justification of what appears to others to be wrong or of what may be liable to disapprobation."

          So we may instead ask when did the apology start meaning “I’m sorry”?

          edit: He also expressed sympathy. Or empathy. I suck at telling the difference.

          "That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make, but I understand that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you’re upset. If the situation was reversed, there’s a good chance I’d have felt the same way.

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            It’s easy! Sympathy is for when you’ve had a similar experience and have felt the feelings the other party feels. Empathy is when you haven’t felt the same feelings, but still feel for the other party.

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            10 hours ago

            An apology acknowledges the wrong, why it was wrong, and especially a pledge to not repeat it.

            He did none of those things, especially the last one.