that’s what I mean by heaven, I just mean the afterlife that they desire. I don’t mean a literal perfect world, but a liberal ‘least bad’ world. you’re right that they’re nihilistic, and when pressed hard enough will abandon liberal niceties before they abandon property or position. Still, they think that they are at the end of history. That the apocalypse already came and went, and they were the god chosen victors of it (colonialism and the ongoing horrors of industrialization).