The headlines over the past few weeks have been unrelenting. The Trump administration is activating the full power of the federal government against perceived enemies, from liberal groups to elections officials to a former FBI director.Meanwhile, autocratic powers like China and Russia are running i...
  • Jesus@lemmy.world
    581·
    19 hours ago

    The only way to defeat us is if the Trump administration and the movement that undergirds it manages to divide us. We can’t let that happen. To win as a majority coalition, we must always invite everybody who believes in civil liberties and human rights.

    Agreed. The purity testing and splintering into to niche issues is what always screws the left.

    If people could just focus and align on some core root cause issues, like getting corrupt money out of politics, the message would be stronger.

    • FaceDeer@fedia.io
      12·
      18 hours ago

      All well and good, but what happens when someone comes to the meeting and says “we should end corruption and remove Trump, but I don’t like DEI policies.”

      I’m guessing that will suddenly be added to the “root” cause and we’re right back into splintering and purity spirals again.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        61·
        18 hours ago

        I’m guessing that will suddenly be added to the “root” cause

        Hopefully yes, because that’s exactly what it is. You can’t fight fascism with fascism lite.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
            42·
            18 hours ago

            You… you think racism and xenophobia aren’t a root cause of this? If so, you should read a history book. Start from Nixon.

            • FaceDeer@fedia.io
              132·
              18 hours ago

              And here we go, a disagreement over policy balloons instantly into “racism and xenophobia” and an ally gets kicked out of the meeting because everything is black or white and no compromise is possible.

              I find DEI policies to be a complicated topic, personally. I don’t oppose the basic idea and motive behind them, but I think they’ve been implemented poorly and often turn into discrimination in their own right. Am I now classed as “Trump supporter” in your eyes? I’ve been called a Trump supporter because I don’t like the recent Star Wars movies, so I’m sure a lot of people would indeed lump me in with him on that basis. And thus is proven the basic point about how Trump’s opponents are destroying themselves without Trump’s supporters having to lift a finger.

              • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
                41·
                13 hours ago

                And here we go, a disagreement over policy balloons instantly into “racism and xenophobia”

                Oh, so you’re saying you personally don’t like DEI policies. In that case I’m not necessarily calling you racist and xenophobic, but your seeming willingness to accept the results of past racism and xenophobia is definitely concerning. If I was running the meeting you wouldn’t get kicked out, but your “can we not include DEI in our platform” would be met with an uncompromising “no.” Before I explain why, do you understand the concepts of systemic racism and generational wealth?

                but I think they’ve been implemented poorly and often turn into discrimination in their own right.

                You need such “discrimination” to undo the results of past discrimination. For example, did you know that despite being only ~0.7% of the population, Native Americans make up about 24% of the poverty population of the US? Is this not injustice? How do you rectify it without affirmative action (aka DEI)?

                • FaceDeer@fedia.io
                  21·
                  13 hours ago

                  You’re really, really intent on driving my point home here, aren’t you?

                  I oppose Trump. I think he’s the worst president the US has ever had and he needs to be stopped. But I expressed an unrelated view that is mildly in opposition to yours, and now that’s the only thing you can think about. You’re focusing entirely on attacking me on this issue.

                  Have you forgotten that this is about Trump, and about how the only way to defeat him is to get over these sorts of divisions and diversions?

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
                    21·
                    13 hours ago

                    Have you forgotten that this is about Trump,

                    To you this is about Trump. To others it’s about the injustice they have suffered their whole lives that got worse under Trump but did not originate with him. Being able to laser-focus on Trump is a privilege; it assumes that the politically relevant parts of your experience before Trump were if not good then at least tolerable. This is not the case for a massive chunk of the population. I mean, hell, for example ICE kidnappings are nothing new; Trump is just performatively cruel about them. You can’t take a stand against some injustice and expect the people experiencing the chunk you’re letting go to help you. As a wise man once said:

                    First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

                    Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

                    Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

                    Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

                    Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

              • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
                5·
                16 hours ago

                I honestly don’t think dei did shit one way or another and was all just a show. That being said I agree. Lets all get behind the constitution including all the bill of rights and argue about the other things once we have enough rights to do so in a civilized manner.

                • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
                  21·
                  13 hours ago

                  “We need to get my rights now. Your rights can come after we can argue about them in a civilized manner.” Setting aside the moral duplicity of this, it’s just not how you build a coalition. For them to fight for your rights, you need to fight for theirs with equal commitment.

                  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
                    3·
                    13 hours ago

                    So seperation of powers, the bill of rights including speech, assembly, due process, etc. Those are just rights for one person to you? The point is if we can’t express views and assemble or get a day in court then everything else is in the toilet. You need to get a clue.