Western chauvinists are doing imperialist propaganda against global south socialists and anti-imperialists, big surprise! Just another repackaging of the old colonial “we are civilized, they are barbarians” trope.

Socdems are never to be trusted.

You LITERALLY can’t vote for another party in Cuba!

Socdems are so committed to electoralism that they would rather lose under it than win without it. “The workers’ state of Cuba is safeguarded by the communist party! What a nightmare! What if they WANT the CIA to puppet their country?!”

Politics is not a game where you can play fairly or cheat. It is a desperate struggle where life and liberation hang in the balance. You have to want it enough to fight dirty. If you don’t want to, then you simply don’t care.

In Cuba you literally can’t vote for other parties

Goes to show how much these liberals understand their much beloved democratic socialism.

The whole point of democratic socialism is that parties don’t exist. Instead candidates are drawn from the people directly without fancy pre-election campaigns, except for equal and neutral information distributed by the election commitee. Instead of politicians wielding power to change laws, elected officials craft proposals and then the people vote for them. In essence a sort of a semi-direct democracy.

Parties exist only as a temporary medium to let people communicate with the government until more efficient ways are developed. And since the idea is to develop socialism, the only parties allowed are the ones that support the main goal of… developing socialism.

Which is exactly how Cuba works…

And Venezuela is closer to this, as local government in a lot of sectors is replaced by volunteers from the local community who run various important functions, like building communal housing, maintaining and upgrading communal infrastructure (roads, schools, parks) and who perform communal services (policing, fire-fighting, etc), in cooperation with the central government.

Official DSA subreddit

libertarian, anarchist an anti-leninist movements

And they don’t characterise these mysterious other movements by anything other than their anti-leninism…

What are those non-anarchist and non-libertarian anti-leninist movements in the global south? What are they?

Curiosityseeks kills me. They discribe both Venezuela and Cuba only to do a 180° and claim the opposite.

To the last comment: mindlessly villainizing Cuba and Venezuela is the actual cause of a fragmented left.

I used to believe that state-socialists defended the people’s republics as a matter of sheer principle, but then I learned about the democratic mechanisms that exist within the people’s republics and I understood that state-socialists’ defense of them is far more complicated than supporting a party simply because it happens to be communist. State-socialists are not naïfs who are willingly deluding theirselves with purportedly ‘shallow’ sources.

Are we still supposed to keep supporting (tolerating) the DSA and similar groups in their electoral efforts with this in mind?

Is there any alternate use in organizations for this?

Advocating for these dictators … emboldens the right wing If we want to have mass appeal … be careful and purposeful with who we want to align ourselves with

The dumb part about this is that Trump supposedly has mass appeal despite censoring his opponents, using the police to disappear people, and going after peaceful protests and then calling them “violent” afterwards. Is he crushing it in the polls due to his promises of a massive police presence, or will we lose everyone due to our possible use of a massive police presence?