Can’t wait to laugh my ass off when washington DC is split into east and west.
North and South? Mason-Dixon line pt. 2?
East and west
“Are you triggered yet, lib?”
dude… I’m the one who can swim for few minutes, you cannot…
“Don’t care, all I care about is triggering the libs. Is that triggering you? HAH! Triggeblub blub blub”
Trump himself used a similar story about a snake in his own speeches. He was telling us who he is.
Early 20th century Italian fascists had a popular slogan “Me ne frego”, meaning “I don’t care”.
People don’t really change.
Hmmmmm
What did Melania have on the back of her jacket that one time
Some say Epstein’s cum
Me ne spoogo
You win, everybody pack up and leave.
I dOnt ReAlLy CaRe, dO yOu??1
“Me no frogo”
Don’t be the frog.
Portland has taught me to actually be the frog
The original Maga hat!
The most accurate thing about this is the liberal allowing the fascist to get on its back in the first place.
Because, you know, it would just be SO RUDE not to.
Or rather, they really hope the scorpion isn’t lying yet again.
And Leftists see the Liberals as the scorpion.
Turns out when people stop benefiting from society, they don’t care what happens to it.
And no, an oppressive police state who kills anyone who gets too poor or upset is not a “benefit” of that society. And when that’s all the system has left, you can’t blame people for not giving a shit.
And Leftists see the Liberals as the scorpion.
I see them as the frog. The stupid fucking frog that knows the scorpion’s nature but gives him a free ride anyway.
What wasn’t seen before this was the scorpion gave the frog a big tax break and insider trading information.
That’s not really a universal truth, Leftists hold a wide range of views on liberalism.
Not on here it doesn’t seem. On here a liberal to them is chuck Schumer or other neoliberals(neo being the keyword here). They think liberalism is about protecting capital. I would argue that socialism can be very liberal if we’re going with the traditional meaning of the word.
But what really bothers me about it is it feels like a wedge issue created to drive the two groups apart, and it seems to work on people that I KNOW are smarter than that. But I guess we liberals thought that about Maga as well
I’d argue you don’t know what Liberalism is.
John Locke was all about private property and individual ownership of the means of production. Liberalism is tied to capitalism from it’s origin.
It’s comparable to AnComs and being in favor of personal liberties, they’re still right wingers at their core.
The warped American notion of liberalism as an analogue for left or progressive is not the norm globally, and certainly not the origin of the word or how we all see it applied in the states.
Liberalism: A Counter History is free on Annie’s Archive, it goes through all the major liberal philosophers and how they defined liberalism when confronted with various contradictions.
It is normally the fascists who claim that everyone they see not as one of them being a lefty, while the subgroups in the group of these "lefties” are more different to each other than they are to some fascist groups
Well, I think, I worded that not so well, but hope you guys still understand.
Tldr:
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector spaceBecause the right’s base doesn’t understand half of the words you used in describing our predicament
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector space
Conway’s Law: The structure of a system reflects the structure of the organization that built it
Have a two-party system, get a two-party model.
More like Democrats see the progressives as the scorpion.
If giving up means you then screw over everyone else that says more about you, than anyone else. It may be reality, but it’s no justification.Yeah, you can try supporting leftists, or you can keep stinging.
Neoliberalism isn’t a popular ideology anymore.
Neoliberalism isn’t a popular ideology anymore.
And yet democrats refuse to abandon it.
Neoliberalism is no where near as popular as it used to be. The neoliberal faction is about as weak as it has ever been since they came to dominate the party back in the 1990’s. It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
I’ve heard this too many times to ever believe mere words from democrats. I’ve seen their actions and those indicate that the party has only changed for the worse.
But the democrats are the ones that have an organization in place in the U.S. that can affect change. Those with more progressive ideals keep stinging them and they sink. As a result we have right wing fascism. Congrats.
What you’re saying only makes sense if you think all leftists refuse to vote, or 100% vote for third parties. This is not even close to reality. Libs love to tell me I’m a Trump supporting liar, but I have voted Democrat my entire adult life, including for Harris and in local piddly elections. Not because I think centrist liberal policies are good but because our broken system forces me to, in the hopes that maybe their platform will grow a spine or a conscious and realize caring for your people is worth more than making a buck.
Other nations with less power and resources than us have figured out how to be progressive, what is our problem? It sure as shit isn’t the people calling for progress.
Its not a matter of 100%. It’s a matter of any. The critical votes have been very close. It’s also if you convince others not to vote or vote 3rd party. So criticizing the democrats has to be done carefully in the right context.
And the trick would be removing money from politics; and removing money controlled bias of mass media.“Oh shit he’s a Harris voter. Okay backup plan, accuse him of undermining voting with no evidence”
Literally every time, man. It’s so predictable.
It’s simple logic. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I just stated my point.
Oh no those mean leftists they hurt the DNC by… not giving them votes they think they were entitled to…
You need to understand that the leftist protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election. That is a fact, and if you want to live in the same reality as the rest of us, you need to internalize that fact. This was DNC propaganda made to make you hate young people and leftist ideology. It’s time to break that conditioning.
If you would like to be upset about the votes Harris was “owed” then be mad at the white and hispanic boomers that stayed home for Harris after coming out to vote for Biden.
It was literally liberal voters that failed the Democratic party. I’m a leftist and I voted for Kamala but all of us leftist combined on lemmy wasn’t going to make a difference
You understand your lack of vote made my death as a trans person orders or magnitude more likely
I voted for Harris you idiot
Let’s all help the fascists and then pretend it’s a moral imperative
Edit: I love the block feature. Tankies can scream into the void all they want.
Let’s all help the fascists and then pretend it’s a moral imperative
That’s centrists’ position on Palestine, yes.
EDIT: democrats and ignoring the left. Name a more perfect tautology.
Not shown on the shore: hundreds of other frogs watching with full confidence that any scorpion they give a ride across the pond won’t sting THEM.
“lol”, said the Scorpion, “lmao”
based on a true story
I always dislike this story because of the biological essentialism it implies and that allows racists and sexists to use it.
Do you also dislike stories with talking animals because animals can’t talk?
It’s a parable, and you seem to be taking it too literally and simultaneously not literally enough.On the one hand, it’s saying not to trust people who want to hurt you even if your interests are aligned. The soviets trusting the Nazis not to attack them just because they both gained by dividing eastern Europe and not fighting a war on multiple fronts. No amount of shared interest will keep a fascist from hating a communist.
On the other hand, you actually really shouldn’t put scorpions on your back. It’s actually fine to reduce the agency of an insect to a stereotype of their biology.
Not sure why you’d getting downvoted here but it’s absolutely been used (a lot) to push racist ideas. I first heard it from an antisemite.
I think it’s just a shit message - “people will betray you on surprising ways, trust no one”
Isn’t the message that people will betray you in _un_surprising ways?
I never took it as bleakly as don’t trust anyone.
Frog knows the scorpion is untrustworthy but ignores his intuition and gets burnt for it. I take it as don’t get involved with someone that would drag you down with them.
For anyone trying to prove anything with it, it’s a parable, so it’s advice, not a research paper! 🐸
Speaking of frog parables pretending to be research papers: the whole “a scientist did an experiment and if you boil water slowly enough the frog won’t jump out and just sits there until it dies”. It turns out that’s bullshit. The scientist was trying to figure out brain stuff, so he removed the brains from the frogs and they didn’t jump out when he boiled them. The frogs that still had their brains jumped out of the water around the same temperature as a person would step out of a too-hot shower (25°C).
Scorpions would never sting my back
Said the person who just voted for the “Scorpions stinging backs” party.
I guess it’s both. You wouldn’t expect someone to sabotage themselves
I’ve always preferred the monk and the scorpion one, but I guess it could be used the same way. Never thought about it, honestly.
Ofc you misunderstood the message.
Unfortunately, alot of us lived to see that message play out irl. Not in the racist ways obviously, but still
They got upvoted but should have been downvoted because they’re just inventing a weird new sensitivity that you have to strain to even believe can exist in another person’s mind.
This is perfect
This applies to maga as well. Trump doesn’t give two shits about them.
Bold characterizing Trumptards as something fierce like a scorpion. I guess they are predators though…
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But you know in this story, the frog was actually taking the scorpion to safety, not waging wars and funding a genocide. Maybe next time if there is no bureaucracy in the party, and you see Mamdani against Trump , you’ll see actual support from the left.
Why would it be mamdani vs Trump? I get the whole trump 3rd term idea and breaking the law to install a dictator but why would the Dems run Mamdani? As a Uganda born individual, he’s not eligible to be president.
just an example 😅
lol “Just one more purity test bro, then I promise I won’t support the fascist”
People with no standards really hate people with standards.
lol made up purity tests you use to justify supporting facism aren’t standards.
It doesn’t really matter what excuse you use for suppressing leftist voter turn out, you’re still doing work for the facists which makes you a fascist.
The only thing centrists don’t conveniently see as “suppressing voter turnout” is enthusiastic agreement with the worst actions of centrists.
You’re supporting fascist, and I hate that most center people don’t see it. Either die slowly or quickly. I’m willing to at least attempt to change things, you should too.
What’s really baffling is that even the fascist is doing a better job in the context of wars. And if I’m not wrong, those lefties targeted in the meme are just choosing not to participate in the vote, not to support some one. Forcing someone to choose least of two evils might just not be liberty.
lol
It’s refreshing to hear “leftists” just come right out and say they suport the fascist. Thanks for that.
choosing not to participate in the vote, not to support some one.
“leftists” just come right out and say they suport the fascist.
If you don’t understand how first past the post voting works you can just say so. You don’t need to waste a bunch of electricity and storage space with a vapid meme.
So you understood it, and thought that you can vote your way out of late stage capitalism like this?
I was literally going to reply to this pointing out that “protest voters” fit better as the scorpion than MAGA people. The MAGA people didn’t know that Trump was an objective disaster. They just thought he would make a disaster for their enemies and leave them alone. The “I’m too left for Kamala” people did know, and they still decided Trump wasn’t worth resisting, because they wanted to make their point. Or, as the scorpion said, it’s in their nature, and they just felt really strongly that that’s what they wanted to do.
And hey, now we’re sinking! Thanks. Great.
now we’re sinking!
Always have been.
Center people are a psyop
You just hate me cuz I’m right.
No we haven’t. FDR put in place universal healthcare, universal retirement, jobs for people that want to work so that they’re not subject to whims of the economy as to whether they can feed themselves. Postwar Britain guaranteed housing at reasonable rates to its people. The EPA, the CDC, clean water in your house, all this stuff happens because somebody makes it happen.
Democracy works, if you make it work. All that FDR stuff happened because people had spent decades fighting for their labor rights in the streets, harder than the wealthy were fighting to keep them down. That’s it. That’s how it functions. If instead of that, the labor movement had been filled with strategically incapable losers who said “MAN THE WHIGS DON’T FUCKING REPRESENT ME” and then fucked off to do something else, we’d still be working weekends and getting our arms pulled off in the factories.
This is why people think the whole “protest voter” thing is a psyop: Because it makes so little sense as a strategy for producing positive change. As a way of making sure things get ten times worse and the worst people in the world get to profit, though, it’s a fucking fantastic strategy.
umm, that’s 40 years ago you’re talking about, and it was Harry Truman who came after, so I say it was sinking gradually since then. In any case voting for warmongers is kind of an approval to them, people have every right to distinguish themselves from warmongers.
I don’t really care about labor rights that much in this discussion, but I strongly doubt that you can achieve any by “voting blue, no matter who”, you’re not really voting here imo, you’re just showing the lobbyists that you’re accepting anything blue they offer. The example of FDR only shows that your party has been infiltrated and needs a purge of some kind, instead of unconditional support.
umm, that’s 40 years ago you’re talking about, and it was Harry Truman who came after, so I say it was sinking gradually since then.
Yeah, pretty much. Because things got good and people stopped fighting.
This whole model where “the assholes in power are doing corrupt things and don’t look out for the people” is this shocking surprise, and leads to us needing to disengage from the whole system even more, is wrong. Fight for what you need. That is the way.
I don’t really care about labor rights that much in this discussion, but I strongly doubt that you can achieve any by “voting blue, no matter who”
Good thing I never said that. What I was saying is that “Vote no, no matter who” is a bunch of garbage probably equally unproductive to this elaborate strawman of “vote blue no matter who.”
The example of FDR only shows that your party has been infiltrated and needs a purge of some kind
Yeah, pretty much. If we could start with Schumer and Pelosi that would be great.
Tell me, does “the leftest end of the party refuses to vote anymore” leads to the party moving left? Or right? I can’t remember. Is that a good way to purge the centrists, by withdrawing the leftist input? Maybe there is some kind of history from 1968 - 1992 that I can look to. Or maybe the history of the Democrats since 1992?
If you meant that you wanted people in US to vote for someone like Bernie Sanders then I’m not your opponent. I only discard the idea of “vote Biden to prevent Trump” which evolved to “vote Kamala Harris to prevent Trump” even when both are clearly not standing for you really, but “just do it cuz they’re the candidates of the party”.
I’m pretty sure the meme is blaming those who didn’t vote blue in the last American elections, “resulting in Trump winning”.I’m not discarding the idea of practicing the democratic procedure in your country all together or participating in votes, but rather only the idea of “vote for the lesser of two evils”, as it has only proved to sink the boat so far. I’m arguing against extreme loyalty for the party, for life.
I only discard the idea of “vote Biden to prevent Trump”
Then you are… well, I won’t say you’re my “enemy” exactly. But I think you’re making incredibly stupid decisions, and then being dishonest (“just do it cuz they’re the candidates of the party” when the logic was literally pretty much the opposite of that).
If the house is on fire, then leaving the house is urgent. Preventing Trump was urgent. Saying it’s not worth leaving the house because you don’t like the weather outside is ridiculous, and framing this past election like preventing Trump was not urgent, even now with the benefit of hindsight, shows some really remarkably bad strategic ability, and I don’t think I really want to listen to your political wisdom as to how to look at things or how we can get out of this mess now.
only the idea of “vote for the lesser of two evils”, as it has only proved to sink the boat so far
My point bringing up 1968 and 1992 was that refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils, thus opening the door for a much much greater evil to reset the bar downwards and also motivating the Democrats to move to the right since the left isn’t voting for them anyway, is precisely and exactly what has been sinking the boat.
The “I’m too left for Kamala” people did know, and they still decided Trump wasn’t worth resisting…
Citation needed. I saw them actually resisting, unlike the liberals who paved the way for Trump’s facism. But they claimed it was OK this time, but cause it was the “good guys” doing it.
I’m mostly talking about the people on Lemmy. This kind of stuff is what I’m talking about:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=kamala&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
https://lemmy.world/search?q=biden&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
Compare to:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=mamdani&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
Mamdani had to kiss the police boots but he gets a useless endorsement in its place.
He has started compromising with Democrats and abandoning his principles. We are halfway Bernie Mamdani already.
https://lemmy.world/search?q=no+kings&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=New
When it’s time to not vote for Democrats, they’re all yelling and super vigorous, activists with all kinds of passion. When a pro-Palestine, pro-worker candidate comes along, they start shitting on him. When it’s time to get in the streets, it’s fucking crickets.
That’s why I don’t like them. Surely that makes sense. If I saw them actually “resisting” or at least encouraging other people to resist, I’d be a lot less contemptuous of them.
