It has come to my attention that there is some minor unrest on Hexbear due to statements they believe I made that they did not appreciate. there has been some small misunderstanding regarding them, so allow me, dear reader, to make my position clear so these terrible rumors can be put to rest.
some time ago, another user on our matrix asked for tips on trolling Hexbear in their communities. specifically, they asked what might be said that would garner the most rage. as I generally consider myself to be the obliging sort, I offered what pearls of wisdom I could.
now, a thoughtful reader might wonder why I didn’t react with abject horror at the idea of someone trolling Hexbear, for that, I can only say that perhaps I thought it was proper comuppence for the brigading and harassment Hexbear used to perpetrate across the fediverse.
but I digress. the specific pearls of wisdom I offered were as such.
le gasp! how terrible! what scoundrel, what worthless cur would say that the soviet civilians deserved such a fate! genocide! fascist! liberal!
as you might have guess, discerning reader, Hexbear posits that such a scoundrel is me. they insist, that by saying the soviets deserved what they got, that I am actively supporting the genocide of twenty-seven million civilians. there are two problems with this, however.
one, I never said civilians. this is a word put into my mouth by tankies that are too fucking stupid to understand plain english. one would think that it is pretty obvious that it wasn’t some poor farmer that was invading Poland for profit, but if one were to think such, then one wouldn’t be a braindead tankie shitstain, and would instead be someone at least capable of the level of higher thought that evolution gave a jellyfish. it’s pretty obvious to normal people that the ones gleefully invading other countries alongside the nazis were, in fact, soldiers. here they were at least right when they assumed I was gleefully celebrating the deaths of those soldiers. they fought with the nazis, they invaded other countries, and they don’t get to absolve themselves of working with the nazis just because hitler turned on them, and tankies think that the country that supposedly single-handily fought and won WW2 are also the poor victims of the war, who had no choice in their actions.
two, there were no soviet civilians, merely innocent asian/eastern european souls that were held hostage by the soviet oligarchy and forced into starvation and destitution by an authoritarian system that valued propaganda more than human beings. the vast majority of those people probably would not have chosen to live in a dystopian hellhole were they given a chance, any more than the average North Korean wants to starve to death under the Kims. they were as much soviets as you or I, merely people with no freedom, and no other option but to live under the crushing boot of the imperialist USSR. they didn’t help the nazis, because they were powerless in the face of the state.
neither of these two points has stopped Hexbear from whipping themselves into a frothing echo chamber of self-righteous disgust and anger, and demanding that I be removed from my mod positions and banned. a demand which has, so far, fallen on deaf ears that are used to the utter bullshit so often spewed by these feckless internet warriors. if there was an award for arguing in bad faith, we all know the reeking denizens of the lower planes we all colloquially call The Triad would win it.
as you probably have gathered by now, this is not an apology. I did not do anything wrong, especially not what they have accused me of, and so I will not apologize for it. not that they would be willing to consider such an apology anyway, because for them there is only one truth, and that is that they are always right, and everyone who is not them is an enemy and always wrong.
now, they have banned me, and so they can’t see this, so I will instead tag @cowbee@lemmy.ml, a known affiliate of these heathens, who spent three paragraphs the other day downplaying the persecution of LGBT+ in the USSR before grudgingly using a mere two sentences in admitting the treatment.
my one regret, of course, is that since I have now blocked everyone from The Triad, I won’t be able to read the no doubt angry replies they are fiercely typing out, in which they’ll likely pour over my history to try and find something they can spin as damning evidence to back up their preconceptions. actually, now that I consider it, I find I don’t regret that at all.
in conclusion, I want to say thank you to the comrades that have supported me through these almost trying times, fuck you to the haters who want to be me, and thank you to the haters who made the thread about me on c/Slop like I asked. you’re the real MVP!
Here is pretty good recapitulation, even better because it is clearly written from anticommunist position and criticise commander-in-chief Rydz-Śmigły for that directive (sadly it also peddle bullshit about "extermination of Polish people in USSR and so on). It’s also pretty damning for western “allies” who wanted to just use Polish army as cannon fodder.
It’s also even in wiki page for Edward Rydz Śmigły:
Here is entire order quoted
Interesting, I would prefer a more academic source, one which is more clinical in not offering opinion of the events so that libs I speak to aren’t misguided by the anticommunist bs.
There’s absolutely no reason you would give this order except in the circumstances where you’re interpreting it as “We’re happy that they’re stepping into the east, this gives us room to get the country back later”. This of course was exactly the correct order to give by the Polish commander. Letting the Soviets into the east ultimately preserved the future of Poland existing at all.
What the fuck are they talking about lol, even most anticommunists never say this shit, preferring to attack from the direction of AFTER Poland was taken.
I guess it’s about useful angle for proving even rabid anticommunists do not negate that this order was issued.
A propos rabid anticommunists, in 1944 year Warsaw Uprising was the most significant part of Operation “Burza” (Tempest), which was, as Polish anticommunist general Anders said “aimed militarily against Germans, politically against Soviets and really against Poles”, openly accusing command of AK of extreme incompetence and bad will. And even those people with “Bór” Komorowski at the top, much more anticommunist than both Rydz Śmigły and even the Polish govt in London, still ordered AK forces, even those who succeeded at their parts of operation, to not shoot at advancing Soviet troops, which ended with Soviets disarming AK with no bloodshed.
About the academic sources, the second link source it to the sourcebook, though i was slightly mistaken, the quoted text is not the 17.09 order, it’s 20.09 recapitulation proclaimed already in Romania, but it don’t deny the order.
According to the Katyń museum, another ultrabiased anticommunist place, the 17.09 order was short and straightforward:
> Z bolszewikami nie walczyć, chyba w razie natarcia z ich strony albo próby rozbrojenia oddziałów
Another anticommunist source, interview with professor Tomasz Panfil from Catholic University of Lublin and Institute of National Rememberance, you can’t get more anticommunist in Polish academy
Basically no one in Poland ever denied this order existed, though the anticommunist call him fool or even traitor over it because they would love nothing more than as many as possible Polish dead to justify their relentless hostility to USSR which right now is made solely of Goebbels propaganda and postwar pogromist defense.
The anticommunist claims are obviously ridiculous. This order only makes sense from the intepretation that the Marshall saw it as a useful benefit to Poland. The soviets weren’t going to destroy Poland, and it meant a section of the country would be saved from the monstrosity the nazis would carry out. It makes absolutely no sense to give this order if you’re interpreting the soviets as horrible invaders and conquerors or an existential threat. None of the explanations against it make any sense either, all simply pointing towards him having lost his mind or become “confused” at the time. Clearly they are grasping to explain it away and maintain the anticommunist position.
This should be the starting point from which communists chip away at this whole topic, it is the weakest link in the entire thing. It probably won’t work with Polish who have been put through school education drilling in the anticommunism but it will work with international liberals that keep shouting about ribbentrop.
Yeah, in Poland Communism = or worse than nazism is dogma to the point that i usually can’t get even basic recognition to the obvious argument like this or even that 20 something thousands of government enforcers* is nowhere near as bad as 6 million genocide, they either start namecalling or go into sudden absolute pacifism or in case of ordinary “non political” people just shrug.
*I’m rarily even challenging the official narratives about Katyń because it’s the most dogmatic dogma possible, the cornerstone of anticommunism in Poland, they went to the point they completely hushed even the fact that alternative theories exist.
If communists were equal or worse than nazis then Poland and the Polish would not exist at all. The nazis would have deleted Poland, its population would have been wholly Germanised. It would be gone, subsumed into Germany as part of lebensraum.
Clearly the soviets were not equals, preserving Poland, preserving Polish culture, preserving Polish identity, as part of a Union of Socialist Republics.
The Poles have the Soviet Union to thank for the very existence of Poland. This is undeniable. Only the most closed mind can not see this. Without the Soviet Union, there would be no Poland.
Exactly this.