I was pretty sure this was going to be the major political event where someone said “tankie.”
The tagline has had me on edge for ages now
I heard a boomer lib radio host I hate listen to say it last year if that counts
Hasan being too radical is lmao-tier. Didn’t he propose voting for the demonrats? I’m so sick of politics being so fucking stupid. I don’t even want to write about what’s going on because if I’m going to write narratively captivating antagonists they need to be better put together than the empty rehearsals and unlistening managerial LOSERS that I see here. Hasan is fine. It’s just that these people would have a panic attack if they knew their restaurant food was made with MSG and seed oil.
Also a Ukraine supporter
Voted for Holocaust Harris, constantly is trying to save the Democratic Party from itself, etc
And the loudest and most visible pro-Palestine voice in the country
Which automatically makes him more radical than anyone who’s ever used this site
I get what you’re saying, but I can’t help it, I have to be pedantic here because words matter. How radical a person is is not dependent on how big their platform or loud their voice is, how many people they’ve exposed to leftist thought, or even how much material change they can affect or may have brought about. How radical a person is really is dependent on their positions and convictions, that’s simply what the word means. The “leftists” of the acceptable US political spectrum (aka liberals) may consider Hasan as the most radical extremist they can imagine, but he is absolutely not anywhere near as radical as the majority of people posting on this site.
If you want to say that Hasan has furthered the cause of leftism more than anyone here because of his reach, that he has done more to bring awareness and ultimately some form of material support for Palestine, then I’m inclined to agree, that’s very likely true. But no one who advocates for voting for Democratic presidential candidates is genuinely a radical leftist.
Wtf is the point of radicalism if you have no power to utilize it? Having some REALLY COOL THOUGHTS is meaningless if you can’t actualize them and instead are talking to yourself in a dark room
And frankly every time I see these parasocial whines concerning Hasan, all I hear are calls for more dark rooms, more sophistry, and more idealism
You think I’d care about that obnoxious dude-bro himbo if he didn’t have the audience and platform? He’s a vector for radicaliztion and the normalization of pro-Palestinian politics, that’s all I care about
The combination of radicalism and reach is the metric we need to judge by, without either one the commentary and presentation is meaningless
And judging by the combination Hasan wields, his annoying ass gets an A-
What are you even arguing with me here about? (Or am I misinterpreting your tone and you’re not arguing?)
The combination of radicalism and reach is the metric we need to judge by, without either one the commentary and presentation is meaningless
Ok, then don’t conflate those two very different things. I likewise do not care for Hasan as a person. I don’t enjoy watching him and find myself getting more annoyed with the stuff he gets wrong than cheering the stuff he gets right, like a case of “so close yet so far away” that it rubs me the wrong way. Still, unlike some here, I think he is ultimately a positive (that is to say a leftist) force in the world and one I’m grateful is out there, despite not caring for him and despite the other ways I think he can hold some people back from genuine leftism. The good he does materially I would say outweighs the bad. And the good that he does do, which you have pointed out, is a direct result of the resources he has to be able to do that good. But that does not make him radical. Which is the only part of what you’ve been saying above that I took issue with.
As for the so-called idealism of having radical positions without the material action to back it up… There are people working in volunteer soup kitchens and spending their free time organizing their community as best they can and supporting the vulnerable within it, and they do this because of the radical ML or even anarchist convictions that they hold. Their material conditions don’t allow them to sit in their million dollar homes commenting on the news and media all day to x-thousands of people paying them to do so like Hasan which is what allows him the ability to do the good that he does. These actually radical people lack his resources and his reach, but they are still devoting as much or more of their time and labor to materially benefit others and spread class consciousness. People who struggle daily, hourly, and risk their livelihood and sometimes their lives to do so. Many of these people are minorities of all kinds too. (There are even people like that who have commented on hexbear). They are inarguably more radical both in terms of their actions and their beliefs than Hasan is.
Hasan is not radical and no matter how many kudos he deserves for the very real good he has done for leftist causes changes that.
Ok, then don’t conflate those two very different things.
HOLY SHIT, we have to conflate them, because ONE, is useless, without the OTHER, hence my use of the word COM-BIN-NATION, I swear this site sometimes
As for the so-called idealism of having radical positions without the material action to back it up… There are people working in volunteer soup kitchens and spending their free time organizing their community as best they can and supporting the vulnerable within it, and they do this because of the radical ML or even anarchist convictions that they hold.
God have mercy, everyone’s a liberal at the end of the day…HEY, you know what would really help those people struggling in their soup kitchens? POWER, actualized POWER WITH REACH, the ability to have your politics normalized whether it be anarchist or ML, and you know what’s a powerful vector of actualization and normalization? That’s right, THE MEDIA, and you know who we have on our side who can normalize our politics despite his “so close yet so far away” takes? That’s right, Hasan Piker, a piped piper handed to you on a silver platter, who through his advocacy can inspire and send streams of newly radicalized people to those soups kitchens of yours
But that’s all meaningless because “nice house”? Well how austere and noble, didn’t know the poverty cult had real adherents
They are inarguably more radical both in terms of their actions and their beliefs than Hasan is.
Confidence, normalization, scalability, inspiration, popularity, cultural buy-in, POWER, are these concepts poisonous to your radicalism? Are we in a struggle to change systems or glorify band-aids?
The combination of radicalism and reach is the metric we need to judge by, without either one the commentary and presentation is meaningless
But that still doesn’t mean that he is more radical just for having larger reach. This is a separate argument. Conflating the two is how people end up thinking Obama is radical for Obamacare being a thing. Ability to impact things is important as is reach but that still doesn’t mean saying having more reach makes one more radical.
Conflation doesn’t mean equally important it means one and the same. Edit: Your argument is better suited if your initial sentence is that he is more effective, not more radical.
“The combination of radicalism AND reach…without either one…is meaningless”
Pro-Palestine (radicalism) + Reach (millions of viewers) = More radical than forum users
Actually I’m the one true leftist and I use this site
Okay liberal
he hangs out with and endorses a lot of liberal zionists and encouraged people to vote for genocide
like whom? my only interaction with streamers is when they’re on podcasts
Funny how you didn’t have the confidence to name names
But yeah sure, one of aipacs number one targets hangs out with zionists on the regular
Also he didn’t encourage people to vote for or against Harris and trashed her for her pro-genocide position, so frankly I couldn’t care less how he personally voted
sorry for not appending a long list of names to either of my drive by 18 word comments
Oh it’s a “long list” now lmao? Really? How about you just give two
This is pretty reductionist.
Is it reductionist to say he wants a one state solution because he’s too squishy about forcing West Bank settlers out of stolen homes?
It is reductionist to say that he “endorses a lot of liberal zionists and encourages people to vote for genocide”. I do not watch him with any regularity these days, but my SO does, and we did watch a significant portion of his coverage in the run-up to the elections. Watching him get kicked out of the DNC for his positions on Palestine and his live critique of the event was the final nail in the coffin for my SO to break from the Democrats to vote with me for PSL. He still will fluff up people like AOC and Sanders, but he also regularly expresses criticism of Sanders and AOC on the grounds of their liberal zionism. [edit] In addition, just this week while talking about Zohran, expressed his concern for the comments Zohran made in this Free Press article. The man talks for 8+ hours a day; do you have clips of him expressing this “sqishy-ness” about the West Bank? Because I recall him being pretty clear that Palestinians have a right to return and that it should be enforced.
So the bigger the platform, the more radical?
Pretty sure the crucial element is the pro-Palestine thing, which is why I mentioned the pro-Palestine thing, you know, that thing he uses his big ass platform to boost despite the hate and backlash he receives for it
I mean he had people on the stream who were on the sumud flotilla,you can’t just put him in the same pot as vaush
Dudes got a fuckton of money and isn’t housing homeless people, I know people here that are much poorer that are. So idk
The dude gives small fortunes to charities and mutual aid orgs all the time
What do you want him to do? Front 500,000 dollars for a two bedroom and put some random homeless person in it?
His job is to radicalize people, not fix homelessness by his millionaire lonesome
this is libshit
i house a homeless person in my own apartment, im not rich. and its ridiculous to act like 500k is how much you need for a 2 bedroom (where are you housing people, downtown manhattan??), in fact housing homeless people is incredibly cheap to do, many are even on disability and can pay for their own food, just not housing.
so yeah i do have a standard, to do at least what i do when youre that rich. and i know people that have less money than me that do this too! and yes, i have housed homeless people that i knew for a total of 5 hours prior
edit:
for the audience, it should be noted that homeless people are systemically segregated and considered untouchable. its basically impossible for them to get housing even when they have a job and money due to bad credit. opening your home to them can often save you money because you can buy in bulk together and prepare food together. this is the essence of mutual aid. it is the individualist mindset that considers these people a burden for not living up to the capitalist system’s standards.
While you may be a valiant person, it is the height of libshit to demand people open their homes up the minute they catch a purse
Individualistic and burdensome solutions to systemic problems is libshit and demanding this standard of other people (even millionaire lefists) is unreasonable
Also 500,000 is what two bedrooms are going for in large parts of LA, you’re not American so maybe you forgot how ridiculous US home prices are
“Russia is so bad that nazis and communists in Ukraine have to work together”
My favorite part of the debate was still when the Italian attacked Zohran for condemning Christopher Columbus
“he won’t denounce globalize the intifada” didn’t he do that and that’s why he’s on the hexbear “he sucks now” vibe list
He’s on the “social fascist” list because he’s helping to manufacture consent by calling Maduro a dictator, right when the US is actively attempting regime change in Venezuela.
Yeah he specifically said he would discourage its use, but as we’ve said from the start, you give an inch and they’ll still pretend you never moved
He just know wanted Zionists in his government
“Do you have a dog Mr Mamdani?”
“do you have grandparents mr cuomo?”
America using this mayoral election as a referendum on socialism is such dumb theater this country is 330 million people fuck off.
Dear media: none of this is going to restore your shattered legitimacy in the eyes of… anyone?
I agree in spirit, but this specific case is important because New York is the largest city in America, double the population of the second city LA.
It serves as a rallying symbol for the left if someone could be elected to such an office.
At this point we’ll take whatever we can get.
the second city LA.
Angry Chicagoan noises
really just seems like you’d say you don’t know who he is and let Cuomo look even more pathetic trying to bring up streamer drama
Hasan actually interviewed Zohran a couple months ago
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Seventh circle of loser shit
That’s Incredible. What a loser.
I hereby denounce Hamas Piker, CEO of Antifa, leader of all Terrorism® in the Middle-Eastern region, and architect of 9/11. I swear that when I am elected, I will have Mr. Piker placed in stocks in Central Park so that the people of this great country may hurl insults and rotten produce at him.
2026Did Mamdami hit back with ‘you’re a SAer and responsible for the mass death of elderly people during Covid?’
Or has the dem civility worm fully taken over yet?
I only watched part of it but he brought up the mass elder social murder very early in the debate
Sex pest
“Mr MAmdahni, I hear you still havent denounced HaSSan Piker the twitch streamer. Does he have a shock collar on you?”
Is this still about the fucking dog?
no this is about america deserving 9/11
cuomo won’t hear about the dog thing until 2035
He better not! Bringing it up would be insulting the cops, our boys in blue, who shoot dogs every day in their effort to protect our great country 🇺🇸
KayaGate hasnt reached normie spaces yet
he’s so deeply cooked
