Ok, then don’t conflate those two very different things.
HOLY SHIT, we have to conflate them, because ONE, is useless, without the OTHER, hence my use of the word COM-BIN-NATION, I swear this site sometimes
As for the so-called idealism of having radical positions without the material action to back it up… There are people working in volunteer soup kitchens and spending their free time organizing their community as best they can and supporting the vulnerable within it, and they do this because of the radical ML or even anarchist convictions that they hold.
God have mercy, everyone’s a liberal at the end of the day…HEY, you know what would really help those people struggling in their soup kitchens? POWER, actualized POWER WITH REACH, the ability to have your politics normalized whether it be anarchist or ML, and you know what’s a powerful vector of actualization and normalization? That’s right, THE MEDIA, and you know who we have on our side who can normalize our politics despite his “so close yet so far away” takes? That’s right, Hasan Piker, a piped piper handed to you on a silver platter, who through his advocacy can inspire and send streams of newly radicalized people to those soups kitchens of yours
But that’s all meaningless because “nice house”? Well how austere and noble, didn’t know the poverty cult had real adherents
They are inarguably more radical both in terms of their actions and their beliefs than Hasan is.
Confidence, normalization, scalability, inspiration, popularity, cultural buy-in, POWER, are these concepts poisonous to your radicalism? Are we in a struggle to change systems or glorify band-aids?
You’re going off the rails here comrade. I don’t know if it’s because you can’t handle it being pointed out that a word you were using doesn’t mean the thing you were using it to mean or if you really just hate the fact that Hasan on his best days barely crosses the line from liberal to leftist and is simply in no way considered a radical by anyone who is versed in genuinely radical (such as Marxist Leninist) theory, that is making you feel the need to pick nonsensical fights with everyone, but have at it I guess.
But no, we don’t have to conflate two words (use them as if they mean the same thing) that have completely different meanings in order to be effective. A close example: we need to have principles and we need to take action if we want to make positive material change. That doesn’t mean principles and action are the same thing and is sure as hell doesn’t mean we need to pretend they are the same thing in order to be effective leftists.
Confidence, normalization, scalability, inspiration, popularity, cultural buy-in, POWER, are these concepts poisonous to your radicalism?
Well, let’s take one of those: normalization. What is being normalized? If what’s being normalized is the idea that leftists need to vote for Democrat presidential candidates in order to stop those dastardly Republicans at any cost (especially when those Democrats are actively conducting genocide) then yes, that concept is poisonous to my radicalism. I would say similar things about the rest of your word list.
I’m not going off any rails, I’m growing increasingly annoyed at obtuse parasocial nonsense employed for the purposes of trashing the largest leftist voice in the country and for what? To pretend you (a forum user) has more motion than the largest funder of the Amazon labor union or the most popular pro-Palestine advocate in the US?
I don’t know if it’s because you can’t handle it being pointed out that a word you were using doesn’t mean the thing you were using it to mean or if you really just hate the fact that Hasan on his best days barely crosses the line from liberal to leftist and is simply in no way considered a radical by anyone who is versed in genuinely radical (such as Marxist Leninist) theory
Well, let’s take one of those: normalization. What is being normalized?
SOCIALISM, MARXISM, PRO-PALESTINE POLITICS, yes I’ll take all of that, think I give a fuck about his electoral takes, I need him to radicalize people toward socialism and he’s doing his job well
I would say similar things about the rest of your word list.
Of course you would, you want the left to stay motionless
Alright, let’s look at this honestly because I’ve read many of your comments over the years and know you’re better than this. Right now you are grossly misrepresenting the things people (in this case me) are saying. I sincerely don’t know if you’re aware you’re doing this and just want to score points or if you are in an emotional state that is distorting what you think I’m saying. It seems like the latter, and that is what I mean by going off the rails.
I’m growing increasingly annoyed at obtuse parasocial nonsense
What parasocial nonsense have I expressed in this conversation, from your perspective?
for the purposes of trashing the largest leftist voice in the country
In what way am I trashing Hasan? I literally said I am grateful he is out there and that while I don’t like everything he does, I think he is a force for good in the world. I agreed with you that as far as outreach and spreading and popularizing leftism, that he almost certainly has done more than people here have done.
To pretend you (a forum user) has more motion than the largest funder of the Amazon labor union
What is motion? Where did I pretend I had more of it than Hasan?
If you’re gonna talk shit, the least you could do is know something about the person you’re trashing
I haven’t been doing anything that could remotely be called “talking shit” unless saying “Hasan is not radical” by the standards of nearly anyone on this website is “talking shit.” To the contrary, I’ve been saying that Hasan is undeniably a net good. As for what I know about him, everything I’ve said is well within reason to say given what I do know about Hasan. I have said nothing about him that is not perfectly commensurate with my non-expert but more than average person on the street’s knowledge of who he is.
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I’m glad he is talking to and is friends with someone else who I will take your word is a well-read Marxist Leninist. It doesn’t matter though, I contend that someone who endorses Democrats, especially genocidal presidential candidates, someone who is as concerned and supportive of one half of the uni-party posing as a two-party state kayfabe politics as I’ve personally seen him to be, that person is simply not a radical leftist and that no actual radical leftist would claim him as one.
Of course you would, you want the left to stay motionless
Great. Nice little jab of meaningless nonsense, accusing me of something that doesn’t even parse, let alone related in any way to anything I said. That’s the way to stick it to your opponents! Come on, what is the point of doing that, really?
I get what you’re saying, but I can’t help it, I have to be pedantic here because words matter. How radical a person is is not dependent on how big their platform or loud their voice is, how many people they’ve exposed to leftist thought, or even how much material change they can affect or may have brought about
This is how you began the conversation, this is incoherent; according to you in terms of what is radical, actions don’t matter, radicalizing people doesn’t matter, exposing people to leftist thought, who cares, loudest anti-genocide voice in the country, platforming countless Palestinian voices, teaching 50,000 people the concept of social murder…etc
“Tried your best kid, BUT THAT AIN’T RADICAL”, that’s your take huh?
No, what apparently what only really matters is a person’s take on electoralism and the concept of entryism, that’s how we here at Hexbear judge what is or isn’t radical, absolute nonsense, is democrat derangement syndrome a thing now?
And you wonder why I might be annoyed and put off, the loudest anti-genocide voice in the country is disqualified from the vaunted halls of Hexbear radicalism because he encouraged his viewers to neither vote for or against Harris, while still trashing Harris the whole time, unforgivable
End of the day, this shit still boils down to 2024 for all of you
You are truly hung up on semantics. Hasan is not radical in ML terms but does have significant impact and reach. You are literally conflating concepts, as it’s been explained to you several times. We recognize you’re claiming that in order for a radical to have impact, they must have reach, but this is not the point. The point is that calling Hasan a radical is bizarre given his Democrat entryism even if he does good under the banner of Marxism.
The point is that calling Hasan a radical is bizarre given his Democrat entryism even if he does good under the banner of Marxism.
And there it is, and that’s why all of you are dumb, sorry but pro-Palestine radicalism boosted by his REACH, doesn’t stop being radical just because of his takes on electoralism, and second of all his electoral takes for the last 8 months have been about how the democrat party is shit and is doomed, while still being rightfully skeptical of third party emergence
Regardless that doesn’t trump his radicalism concerning Palestine and how that radicalism is elevated by his reach, my entire point the whole goddamn time
I’m not dumb. I think you’re wrong and arguing out of emotion.
I’ll state it plainly before leaving you to your devices: one’s degree of radical is unrelated to one’s reach. You are conflating concepts. Also, Hasan is not radical in ML terms.
one’s degree of radical is unrelated to one’s reach
One’s expression of radicalism is often ELEVATED by one’s reach, and one’s reach can be defined by one’s radicalism, that’s been my point from the start, far from being “unrelated” they interact with each other, welcome to the real world Neo
Elevating and defining each other, concepts sometimes do that, of course this conceptual interaction is obvious, but you all want to pretend you don’t know how to follow a basic logic chain, because at the end of that chain you’d have to hand it to Hasan, and we can’t have that
No, we have to pretend this forum is more radical and impactful than aipac’s number one target and the literal face of American left radicalism
HOLY SHIT, we have to conflate them, because ONE, is useless, without the OTHER, hence my use of the word COM-BIN-NATION, I swear this site sometimes
God have mercy, everyone’s a liberal at the end of the day…HEY, you know what would really help those people struggling in their soup kitchens? POWER, actualized POWER WITH REACH, the ability to have your politics normalized whether it be anarchist or ML, and you know what’s a powerful vector of actualization and normalization? That’s right, THE MEDIA, and you know who we have on our side who can normalize our politics despite his “so close yet so far away” takes? That’s right, Hasan Piker, a piped piper handed to you on a silver platter, who through his advocacy can inspire and send streams of newly radicalized people to those soups kitchens of yours
But that’s all meaningless because “nice house”? Well how austere and noble, didn’t know the poverty cult had real adherents
Confidence, normalization, scalability, inspiration, popularity, cultural buy-in, POWER, are these concepts poisonous to your radicalism? Are we in a struggle to change systems or glorify band-aids?
You’re going off the rails here comrade. I don’t know if it’s because you can’t handle it being pointed out that a word you were using doesn’t mean the thing you were using it to mean or if you really just hate the fact that Hasan on his best days barely crosses the line from liberal to leftist and is simply in no way considered a radical by anyone who is versed in genuinely radical (such as Marxist Leninist) theory, that is making you feel the need to pick nonsensical fights with everyone, but have at it I guess.
But no, we don’t have to conflate two words (use them as if they mean the same thing) that have completely different meanings in order to be effective. A close example: we need to have principles and we need to take action if we want to make positive material change. That doesn’t mean principles and action are the same thing and is sure as hell doesn’t mean we need to pretend they are the same thing in order to be effective leftists.
Well, let’s take one of those: normalization. What is being normalized? If what’s being normalized is the idea that leftists need to vote for Democrat presidential candidates in order to stop those dastardly Republicans at any cost (especially when those Democrats are actively conducting genocide) then yes, that concept is poisonous to my radicalism. I would say similar things about the rest of your word list.
I’m not going off any rails, I’m growing increasingly annoyed at obtuse parasocial nonsense employed for the purposes of trashing the largest leftist voice in the country and for what? To pretend you (a forum user) has more motion than the largest funder of the Amazon labor union or the most popular pro-Palestine advocate in the US?
If you’re gonna talk shit, the least you could do is know something about the person you’re trashing
SOCIALISM, MARXISM, PRO-PALESTINE POLITICS, yes I’ll take all of that, think I give a fuck about his electoral takes, I need him to radicalize people toward socialism and he’s doing his job well
Of course you would, you want the left to stay motionless
Alright, let’s look at this honestly because I’ve read many of your comments over the years and know you’re better than this. Right now you are grossly misrepresenting the things people (in this case me) are saying. I sincerely don’t know if you’re aware you’re doing this and just want to score points or if you are in an emotional state that is distorting what you think I’m saying. It seems like the latter, and that is what I mean by going off the rails.
What parasocial nonsense have I expressed in this conversation, from your perspective?
In what way am I trashing Hasan? I literally said I am grateful he is out there and that while I don’t like everything he does, I think he is a force for good in the world. I agreed with you that as far as outreach and spreading and popularizing leftism, that he almost certainly has done more than people here have done.
What is motion? Where did I pretend I had more of it than Hasan?
I haven’t been doing anything that could remotely be called “talking shit” unless saying “Hasan is not radical” by the standards of nearly anyone on this website is “talking shit.” To the contrary, I’ve been saying that Hasan is undeniably a net good. As for what I know about him, everything I’ve said is well within reason to say given what I do know about Hasan. I have said nothing about him that is not perfectly commensurate with my non-expert but more than average person on the street’s knowledge of who he is.
I’m glad he is talking to and is friends with someone else who I will take your word is a well-read Marxist Leninist. It doesn’t matter though, I contend that someone who endorses Democrats, especially genocidal presidential candidates, someone who is as concerned and supportive of one half of the uni-party posing as a two-party state kayfabe politics as I’ve personally seen him to be, that person is simply not a radical leftist and that no actual radical leftist would claim him as one.
Great. Nice little jab of meaningless nonsense, accusing me of something that doesn’t even parse, let alone related in any way to anything I said. That’s the way to stick it to your opponents! Come on, what is the point of doing that, really?
This is how you began the conversation, this is incoherent; according to you in terms of what is radical, actions don’t matter, radicalizing people doesn’t matter, exposing people to leftist thought, who cares, loudest anti-genocide voice in the country, platforming countless Palestinian voices, teaching 50,000 people the concept of social murder…etc
“Tried your best kid, BUT THAT AIN’T RADICAL”, that’s your take huh?
No, what apparently what only really matters is a person’s take on electoralism and the concept of entryism, that’s how we here at Hexbear judge what is or isn’t radical, absolute nonsense, is democrat derangement syndrome a thing now?
And you wonder why I might be annoyed and put off, the loudest anti-genocide voice in the country is disqualified from the vaunted halls of Hexbear radicalism because he encouraged his viewers to neither vote for or against Harris, while still trashing Harris the whole time, unforgivable
End of the day, this shit still boils down to 2024 for all of you
You are truly hung up on semantics. Hasan is not radical in ML terms but does have significant impact and reach. You are literally conflating concepts, as it’s been explained to you several times. We recognize you’re claiming that in order for a radical to have impact, they must have reach, but this is not the point. The point is that calling Hasan a radical is bizarre given his Democrat entryism even if he does good under the banner of Marxism.
And there it is, and that’s why all of you are dumb, sorry but pro-Palestine radicalism boosted by his REACH, doesn’t stop being radical just because of his takes on electoralism, and second of all his electoral takes for the last 8 months have been about how the democrat party is shit and is doomed, while still being rightfully skeptical of third party emergence
Regardless that doesn’t trump his radicalism concerning Palestine and how that radicalism is elevated by his reach, my entire point the whole goddamn time
I’m not dumb. I think you’re wrong and arguing out of emotion.
I’ll state it plainly before leaving you to your devices: one’s degree of radical is unrelated to one’s reach. You are conflating concepts. Also, Hasan is not radical in ML terms.
Good bye.
One’s expression of radicalism is often ELEVATED by one’s reach, and one’s reach can be defined by one’s radicalism, that’s been my point from the start, far from being “unrelated” they interact with each other, welcome to the real world Neo
Elevating and defining each other, concepts sometimes do that, of course this conceptual interaction is obvious, but you all want to pretend you don’t know how to follow a basic logic chain, because at the end of that chain you’d have to hand it to Hasan, and we can’t have that
No, we have to pretend this forum is more radical and impactful than aipac’s number one target and the literal face of American left radicalism
Why? Because he said vote once
Oh no, another emoji
The obnoxious radlib faction of Hexbear is mad at me now 
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Jesus fuck get over yourself
Jesus fuck learn how to read
Keep crashing out