but by your own standard that didn’t directly result in the conquest of state power so you know, what a waste
Almost like it’s a process or something
Me neither
Then why bring up Kropotkin???
Bro did you just call me a noble for helping homeless people not fucking die in the street
Your inability to recognize your expectations for other people are over-the-top, is what I was calling noblesse oblige, not your personal activism, which like I said previously, is valiant
Then how can you not understand saving someone’s life, someone whose material circumstances makes them a likely socialist, is not part of a grand process? I’ve done this a lot at this point, you can just keep doing it, and its not even hard to do.
Then why bring up Kropotkin???
You said “The dude gives small fortunes to charities and mutual aid orgs all the time” as if you appreciated it. I was explaining the basis of what good mutual aid looks like, and it is rarely about the money (though a good mutual aid setup can save you money). It is best to directly house people if you want to use a lot of money efficiently and effect people in the most profound ways.
Your inability to recognize your expectations for other people are over-the-top, is what I was calling noblesse oblige, not your personal activism, which like I said previously, is valiant
This is a skill issue on your part and on the part of society. The white supremacist settler society will continue to do those things, yes, but to call yourself a leftist you must first decolonize your own thinking and be willing to see others as important as yourself.
Then how can you not understand saving someone’s life, someone whose material circumstances makes them a likely socialist, is not part of a grand process?
Did I say mutual aid wasn’t part of the process? You made assumption about my “standard” not resulting in “conquest of state power” and I corrected you by calling it a process and now you’re talking about how I don’t include mutual aid in that process, which is another assumption???
You’re shadow boxing with a phantom in your head and I’m catching strays, all because I called out your over-the-top expectation for other people, I wasn’t making a value judgment on the concept of mutual aid itself
I was explaining the basis of what good mutual aid looks like, and it is rarely about the money
Again, I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not an anarchist, under a capitalist system it’s always about the money, I’m disagreeing with your theory and I said didn’t want to get into it because I didn’t want to make this sectarian
It is best to directly house people if you want to use a lot of money efficiently and effect people in the most profound ways.
The state can do that better than idealistic social expectations
This is a skill issue on your part and on the part of society
It’s a skill issue because you don’t have state power, that’s my point
Again, I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not an anarchist, under a capitalist system it’s always about the money, I’m disagreeing with your theory and I said didn’t want to get into it because I didn’t want to make this sectarian
I’m not an anarchist lmfao, ML all the way through
The state can do that better than idealistic social expectations
And you don’t have one oh my fucking god im not expecting the whole of society to suddenly decide this is the way to go, but you can hinge on the idea if you save the lives of 30 fucking people who will go on to say communist shit, that does in fact change something. like i get it, you personally are a sack of shit and will continue to be a sack of shit! have fun!
Hi comrade, just stepping in to say that I agree with your points throughout this thread, esp about reach/audience/impact vs. the idealism of being ideologically pure. Also you’ve been posting for several hours now. At this point don’t worry about idealist and armchair leftists in the thread, there’s better things to focus your frustrations on.
Yeah I’m done now, people are looking at upvotes instead of arguments, no point in continuing
Mildly critique someone’s unrealistic expectations while describing what they do as valiant, and you still get called a “sack of shit” lmao
I’ve tried to cure this site of it’s Hasan derangement syndrome before, and dogpiles tend to follow when I do, but it’s important to combat misinformation about one of the genuine left figures out there
Almost like it’s a process or something
Then why bring up Kropotkin???
Your inability to recognize your expectations for other people are over-the-top, is what I was calling noblesse oblige, not your personal activism, which like I said previously, is valiant
Then how can you not understand saving someone’s life, someone whose material circumstances makes them a likely socialist, is not part of a grand process? I’ve done this a lot at this point, you can just keep doing it, and its not even hard to do.
You said “The dude gives small fortunes to charities and mutual aid orgs all the time” as if you appreciated it. I was explaining the basis of what good mutual aid looks like, and it is rarely about the money (though a good mutual aid setup can save you money). It is best to directly house people if you want to use a lot of money efficiently and effect people in the most profound ways.
This is a skill issue on your part and on the part of society. The white supremacist settler society will continue to do those things, yes, but to call yourself a leftist you must first decolonize your own thinking and be willing to see others as important as yourself.
Did I say mutual aid wasn’t part of the process? You made assumption about my “standard” not resulting in “conquest of state power” and I corrected you by calling it a process and now you’re talking about how I don’t include mutual aid in that process, which is another assumption???
You’re shadow boxing with a phantom in your head and I’m catching strays, all because I called out your over-the-top expectation for other people, I wasn’t making a value judgment on the concept of mutual aid itself
Again, I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not an anarchist, under a capitalist system it’s always about the money, I’m disagreeing with your theory and I said didn’t want to get into it because I didn’t want to make this sectarian
The state can do that better than idealistic social expectations
It’s a skill issue because you don’t have state power, that’s my point
I’m not an anarchist lmfao, ML all the way through
And you don’t have one oh my fucking god
im not expecting the whole of society to suddenly decide this is the way to go, but you can hinge on the idea if you save the lives of 30 fucking people who will go on to say communist shit, that does in fact change something. like i get it, you personally are a sack of shit and will continue to be a sack of shit! have fun!
just keep jerking off to hasan, its praxis, bye!
Anarchist getting called a tankie
ml getting called anarkiddie
Also fuck streamers I hate that I keep having to hear about these people.
:yea:
Hi comrade, just stepping in to say that I agree with your points throughout this thread, esp about reach/audience/impact vs. the idealism of being ideologically pure. Also you’ve been posting for several hours now. At this point don’t worry about idealist and armchair leftists in the thread, there’s better things to focus your frustrations on.
Yeah I’m done now, people are looking at upvotes instead of arguments, no point in continuing
Mildly critique someone’s unrealistic expectations while describing what they do as valiant, and you still get called a “sack of shit” lmao
I’ve tried to cure this site of it’s Hasan derangement syndrome before, and dogpiles tend to follow when I do, but it’s important to combat misinformation about one of the genuine left figures out there