Sharks don’t engage in colonialism, sharks don’t engage in Genocide just because the “Shark King” ordered them to, sharks (and the Goblins of Goblin Slayer) don’t have a sociopolitical system that conditions them to “only give dignity to those with high mana”
Again missing that crucial bit of subtext and narrative context that blows up your whole take
Tell me more about how the demons are presented as having conditioned traits rather than essential ones. As I said in the other comment, your claims about them being a political faction that is not racialized is undermined by the fact that they are a race and their most salient features in terms of their villainy are presented as essential to their race.
Its not a rather or thing, its clearly both, they have no empathy and they’re conditioned by the hiearchry of mana
My point tho, that you are continually ignoring in favor of harping on about surface level presentation. Is that demons and the way they operate in the world of Frieren is a direct allusion to the elites of our world
Their presentation as a “race/species” who hunt and dominate humans for sport, is also an allusion to the mindsets of real world elites
The presentation make not be to your likely, but simply ignoring subtext and narrative isn’t a good way to analyze media either
It is hard to accept the premise because the way our elites prey upon the masses is a form of social cannibalism, not an outsider alien species of predator-persons preying upon people out of impulse and sustenance.
It is in the way of “othering” social cannibalism and class predation into an intrinsic trait of a hostile species is why I have come to view it as a Goblin Slayer style characterization of an enemy of the in-group.
The evil of class dominance, predation, and subjugation is an evil as old as agricultural society, as are witch hunts or internal purges for phantom enemies. This evil that we call oppression is birthed by the antagonisms inherent in class society, and not inherent to human beings themselves. What is inherent to human beings is violence and our capacity for good and evil; these evils are both within us and birthed by the conditions which make us. Not a phantom outside species. No angels, gods, or demons make us do anything.
My contention is that Frieren emerges with its lore about demonkind is that it contributes to the externalization of evil even if the in-universe lore is that actually, they’re a super advanced predator species that just imitates life. It’s not a viable excuse because its the same pseudoscientific approach that was used to justify slavery, colonization, and eugenics.
Extermination as an absolute as a necessary measure against a predatory species lends credibility to audiences who think this way about other human beings.
not an outsider alien species of predator-persons preying upon people out of impulse and sustenance.
That literally describes the countless histories of colonialism, actual cannibalism was a real facet of colonial brutality and indigenous groups all over the world were literally hunted by Europeans like game
What the Demons are doing in the setting wouldn’t be out of place in any given history concerning colonial atrocity
How much ink is spilled in the later chapters expanding on just how much land humans had lost to the Demon’s relentless 1000-year expansion and war of extermination. Humans were reduced to a third of their original territory - Hm, I wonder what that narrative could possibly be alluding to?
Extermination as an absolute as a necessary measure against a predatory species lends credibility to audiences who think this way about other human beings.
Leftists need to stop constructing their takes about media based off what chuds think, chuds are always wrong and by extension your take based on their incorrect assumption will also be wrong
‘What chuds think’ didn’t enter into my thought process. The first thing I learned about Frieren was the baby demon subplot. My thoughts were, in order:
“Oh, there was a scene like that in Goblin Slayer.”
“I guess it’s another one of those stories about a race of ontologically inferior others who can be righteously exterminated.”
“Wait, that’s the ‘nits make lice’ logic of Nazis, Israelis, American settlers, and probably countless others I’m forgetting.”
Sharks don’t engage in colonialism, sharks don’t engage in Genocide just because the “Shark King” ordered them to, sharks (and the Goblins of Goblin Slayer) don’t have a sociopolitical system that conditions them to “only give dignity to those with high mana”
Again missing that crucial bit of subtext and narrative context that blows up your whole take
Tell me more about how the demons are presented as having conditioned traits rather than essential ones. As I said in the other comment, your claims about them being a political faction that is not racialized is undermined by the fact that they are a race and their most salient features in terms of their villainy are presented as essential to their race.
Its not a rather or thing, its clearly both, they have no empathy and they’re conditioned by the hiearchry of mana
My point tho, that you are continually ignoring in favor of harping on about surface level presentation. Is that demons and the way they operate in the world of Frieren is a direct allusion to the elites of our world
Their presentation as a “race/species” who hunt and dominate humans for sport, is also an allusion to the mindsets of real world elites
The presentation make not be to your likely, but simply ignoring subtext and narrative isn’t a good way to analyze media either
It’s wild that so many people on here don’t get this, it’s like they actively want the show to be fascist/racist/whatever lol
It is hard to accept the premise because the way our elites prey upon the masses is a form of social cannibalism, not an outsider alien species of predator-persons preying upon people out of impulse and sustenance.
It is in the way of “othering” social cannibalism and class predation into an intrinsic trait of a hostile species is why I have come to view it as a Goblin Slayer style characterization of an enemy of the in-group.
The evil of class dominance, predation, and subjugation is an evil as old as agricultural society, as are witch hunts or internal purges for phantom enemies. This evil that we call oppression is birthed by the antagonisms inherent in class society, and not inherent to human beings themselves. What is inherent to human beings is violence and our capacity for good and evil; these evils are both within us and birthed by the conditions which make us. Not a phantom outside species. No angels, gods, or demons make us do anything.
My contention is that Frieren emerges with its lore about demonkind is that it contributes to the externalization of evil even if the in-universe lore is that actually, they’re a super advanced predator species that just imitates life. It’s not a viable excuse because its the same pseudoscientific approach that was used to justify slavery, colonization, and eugenics.
Extermination as an absolute as a necessary measure against a predatory species lends credibility to audiences who think this way about other human beings.
Gotta stop defending cartoons.
That literally describes the countless histories of colonialism, actual cannibalism was a real facet of colonial brutality and indigenous groups all over the world were literally hunted by Europeans like game
What the Demons are doing in the setting wouldn’t be out of place in any given history concerning colonial atrocity
How much ink is spilled in the later chapters expanding on just how much land humans had lost to the Demon’s relentless 1000-year expansion and war of extermination. Humans were reduced to a third of their original territory - Hm, I wonder what that narrative could possibly be alluding to?
Leftists need to stop constructing their takes about media based off what chuds think, chuds are always wrong and by extension your take based on their incorrect assumption will also be wrong
‘What chuds think’ didn’t enter into my thought process. The first thing I learned about Frieren was the baby demon subplot. My thoughts were, in order:
Did you actually watch Frieren or are you just going off second-hand reports about a single scene in isolation?
Why would I watch an anime I thought would be Goblin Slayer-esque cryptofash shit?
The plot itself is irrelevant, it’s what the externalization of evil onto another species is in this forced metaphor.
That makes no sense
Your Honor I object! And I move to strike!
On what grounds?
On the grounds that it is devastating to my case!
Overruled
Good call!