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i still cannot understand how this many so called “leftists” were/are so eager to whitewash a dude that proudly mentions going on 3 tours to iraq AND being a blackwater pmc??? like what do you even believe in at this point, this is such an easy grifter to clock
what not reading theory does to a mf
Idk if this is a hot take or not but leftists expecting the military to develop class consciousness and fight the revolution for them feels an awful lot like liberals constantly waiting for a lifelong member of one of the three letter agencies to throw the book at Trump.
Noone is coming to save us, including a lot of the people who constantly reassure us they have our back. The only way progress will be accomplished is if we specifically work for it. And as somebody who’s neighbors would gladly crucify me if they knew my political beliefs it frustratingly feels increasingly like the only work to be done is trying to make sure the people I love have enough material support to weather the descent.
Devil’s advocate take: Don’t we need a bunch of ex-military to flip to our side if we hope to have a successful revolution? How do we convince these types to join us and find the 9nes that aren’t tattooing cringe shit on their chests?
DSA Electoral Committee be like: Take off your shirt
hint 1: they don’t talk about being a troop.
hint 2: they’ve ventilated couple of ceo or volunteered with un education program as non-violent atonement
yeah, in revolution-revolution military experience might be necessary, but more relevant would be leaked design docs of drones, jamming info and backdoors. like tacticool shit is irrelevant, if your enemy is willing to use airpower.
That’s true. I’m also thinking of the tactical advantage having military guys on our side gives us. Too many burgerbrains worship anything with troops and see one of them get gunned down by fascist drones could radicalize a lot of people.
i mean ice arrested some vets, to crickets, so (?) on that. the best advantage is advertising against joining military tbh, and draining the coffers of amerikkka through spurious va claims. it’s kinda whatever, i struggle to imagine revolution where combined arms experience is relevant, that would have to be some kind of geographical split. the left either controls the food or not in revolution of that scale and be willing to vietcong their way through bombing (again, seems unlikely).
the denial of profits is another way to starve the beast, to me seems likelier route
Logistical workers are FAR more important than vets. Ports, Railway, Bridges, Warehouses, Highways, IXP, Power Lines is where the system is most fragile.
difference between ‘flip to our side’ and ‘be propped up as an elected representative that we siphon our resources into their personal career project’ don’t you think?
Why can’t these repentant vet types ever shut the fuck up and get in line? If they are so eager to join the left, then do it and shut up. they don’t need to be front and center. They don’t need to be congratulated. They don’t need to be our representatives.
That would be nice. Is he even in an org or just doing Dem party stuff?
Dem party stuff with Justice Democrats/Bernie’s Apparatus/DSA behind him
Tbf to DSA they haven’t actually endorsed him or supported him in any official capacity. From what I heard there is a heated debate in the chapter about supporting him and national won’t get involved without the chapter endorsing him.
But he’s not himself a member of any left org, even DSA. Yeah he’s cooked
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Most troops lack real combat experience and are gears within the logistics of the imperialist machine known as the US military. They are no different from any other civilian worker, in which case, why roll out the red carpet for them? I know a vet whose entire service could be summed as being a warehouse worker in a base in Germany. We can find plenty of warehouse workers, some of them organized into unions, without having to specifically target vets.
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The troops with actual combat experience are either serial killers who got off of committing warcrimes, drones who do as they’re fucking told which amounts to committing warcrimes, and normal people who are completely broken inside from PTSD because they were either forced to commit warcrimes or watch the first two groups commit warcrimes without doing anything to stop them.
The US soldier who simultaneously has substantial combat experience that they can pass down to civilians, doesn’t suffer from PTSD or any other ailments that would lead them to receiving help instead of giving help, and has been sufficiently radicalized to become a genuine anti-imperialist leftist, doesn’t exist in meaningful numbers, so none of our organizing should factor in what is essentially rounding error. If a unicorn vet who’s actually legit falls on our laps from the sky, great, but we shouldn’t structure our organizing to specifically target them.
You just made me think about how Dr Jared Ball is literally a 1 in a billion guy. They don’t make them like that very often, generally.
And even for him, his military experience is being stuck in an aircraft carrier as a sailor. How much has his stuck-in-an-aircraft-carrier experience translate to on-the-ground organizing? It really doesn’t, certainly not enough that justifies the way many people make fools out of themselves by practically rolling out the red carpet for vets with almost no tacticalTM combat experience. Ball is cool for the other stuff he did. All his navy experience did was “introduced to an appreciation for reading and studying history,” presumably because serving in an aircraft carrier that never goes to port is mind-numbingly boring.
These are good points. Maybe this needs to be a separate thread at this point, but I’m wondering why in the past the only successful revolutionary movements required guys with guns and how the military differed in places like China to allow a revolution to happen? Is this a universal thing and we have to build forces from within, because honestly I see 99.9% of conrades will not, or should not, pick up a rifle anytime soon.
This is a US take so maybe things are different where you live.
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People with military experience will join a successful revolution anyways. They will come. But the successful revolution comes first.
Big desire for dem socs to have a veteran to point to and say “look the troops love us”.
There’s also an archetype of the “disillusioned veteran” looming around American Leftist circles because it’s good to have guys with guns around your party and everyone loves a turnaround story.
disillusioned vets are more likely to do a mass shooting than join a leftist organization without intention to grift
To me the fact this guy was a Blackwater dude makes this shit even more fucking ridiculous.
I’m sure there are some genuine “turnaround stories” with vets out there. But I don’t think any of them would join fucking Blackwater after.
Yeah the Blackwater thing should have been the red line there not this tattoo shit
This is literally the first time I’ve heard of this dude, what leftists were glazing him?
HHaSSan PiKKKer
I’m shocked! Like Hasan’s dog allegedly.
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I had no clue who this dude was and I’m pretty online. Idk I guess I’m not as online as I thought.
This is how I feel about like 90% of the stuff talked about in this comm
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You will be avenged, comrade.
It’s funny how he keeps getting permabanned, but the radlibs who keep getting into fights with him aren’t.
It’s like nothing was learned from the struggle session we had on lib zionism just a little while ago.
Anyways, remember to
Meta posting is a new one.
The purpose of it is to stop struggle sessions from taking over the whole site, basically. Keep them where they’re happening
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Also you asked for it to be removed
you don’t think these waves of Mamdani and Platner defenders justifies a sitewide struggle session? How do expect nazi apologists to coexist among us?
Banned for truth again! One of the few principled posters who doesn’t hop on the hamster wheel every time another Zionist imperialists promises a bus line
Lol this case doesn’t require any kind of literacy
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Plus one to Afghanistan as member of national guard…
There is truth in humor.
New: Bernie Sanders defends Graham Platner, calls him an “excellent candidate”
“There’s a young man who served his country in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he went through some really difficult experiences seeing friends of his killed or whatever, and in spite of all of that he had the courage to run”
“I personally think he is an excellent candidate. I’m going to support him, and I look forward to him becoming the next senator in the state of Maine”
he went through some really difficult experiences seeing friends of his killed or whatever
when you don’t even believe your own lies
You can read this in a trump voice and it works 100%
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Those comments must be from a few days ago. Bernie can’t be that insane. Can he?
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Bernie makes me sick.
He said it today https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1980703417229000878
I think this is the quote that made me think he really is a social fascist. Like all the Zionist shit is abhorrent but not particularly surprising for an American politician. This one is just “yeah this Nazi is chill”
Color me shocked that one social fascist supports another.
Trully the time of whatever
is there any source aside from one (1) tweet?
Stalin didnt invoke the terms social fascist for no reason. The SPD had no issues working with the beta brownshirts to kill communists multiple times.
Was this guy really a Blackwater merc? I refuse to believe this guy was hyped up this much as a Blackwater merc. Theres no fucking way. Theres no fucking way.
Wait 4 tours before going into Blackwater.
I was there 4 different times but I had no idea they were that bad or wasteful until I got my paycheck from them
I’m honestly left a little confused as to why this guy was in the DSA. This is the first time I’ve heard of him, and I’m like, is he a Fed? Was he trying to do right entryism? Did he have a genuine change of heart but neglected to cover up his fucking Nazi tattoo?
he was built in a lab to mess with lefties
From what i understand he isnt in the dsa, he did a whole “im a progressive” on twitter and a bunch of dsa accounts started just pushing him without checking who he was
I don’t think the DSA background checks people very extensively
Yeah but that doesn’t explain HIS motives
I think he’s just a Reddit guy. Redditors love to claim they’re leftists/communists/whatever when they’re actually Hitler’s strongest soldiers.
Maybe he has an alt account that’s a mod on r/europeansocialists lmao
It would be a good way to prove lefty credentials without having to do anything
Hitler without the stache is kinda fucked up
Looks like Ataturk
Everyday I’m convinced that ideological and political discipline is necessary.
I can’t find that 2024 election picture of a craKKKerified
with a black sun symbol, otherwise I would’ve posted that here.
here ya go
Lmao, that’s the one.
ukrainification in full swing
Someone on r/TrueAnon recently coined the term “Hyperbrandonization” and it’s a real winner imo
It was more of an Americanization of Ukraine, really.
Nah, the open unrepentant Nazism is an import from Ukraine
USA and Canada systematically nurtured fascists in Ukraine, orchestrated a coup to put them into power and run pro-fascist propaganda campaigns. American Nazism is homegrown and exported to other countries.
Yes, and this is the boomerang coming back around. We made Ukraine open Nazis, now Ukraine is making us open Nazis as blowback. America has never been openly Nazi in the way that Ukraine currently is, it’s always done with a Liberal veneer or behind the scenes. That’s changing.
Really, it is closet Nazis in America made Ukraine open Nazis and ran pro-Nazi propaganda, so they can come out as open Nazis. It hardly counts as blowback, when every step was being done by Americans.
I’ll tell you this, all my lib neighbors used to have pride flags and now they have Ukrainian trident flags. It wasn’t American chuds who did this to them.
Moderate wing of fascism and so on.
okay but have you considered the following:
this remind me of the word “papist” that US protestants use, thats such a funny insult to make to refer to catholics lol
There’s a reason they had to import the fucking nazis. If Canada and the US were already as or more fascist than Ukraine they wouldn’t bother importing the people in to do the nazi shit.
USA and Canada are the main Nazi bases. They harbor Nazis and help them spread over the world. In Ukraine Canadian Ukrainian nationalists had run decades-long campaign to whitewash Bandera and Shukhevich post-1991. Ukraine was deliberately made fascist by them, it wasn’t some oopsie.
The world is not a homogenous plane with zero ruptures, it’s filled with pockets of forces and one of those is neo-nazism, which the western governments have to actively create, stoke, and transport across the world. You’re flattening the reality to make it simpler because this understanding is too complex for you and other Deprogram-style leftoids.
Unrepentant nazism is just the natural evolution of Unrepentant kukluxkanism
Soon every liberal will just be hitler, and every conservative will be AI, closeted gay, unvaccinated, and hitler
It’s kind of impressive that the “leftist” has an even more explicitly Nazi tattoo than Hegseth.
Gram planter? What is he a fuckin cop?
He’s a marine, so yeah.
Haha “hoo-ray” or whatever those dorks say
Me showing up in a westburo babtist church god hates F shirt on the day of my gay trans lesbian wedding
Glad I didn’t know who this guy was before this post
get elected, go full Fetterman.
The fact that he was not shot in the head with a nuclear bomb from Disney proves it is nazi skull and bones rather than piracy skull and bones
two struggle sesssions in a row in this comment section is crazy
I’m glad we have moments like this which weed out the 7DeadlyFetishes-type posters. Graham Platner is a litmus test. Before today he gave me bad vibes and his military/mercenary history was a massive red flag. I wasn’t hostile toward the people who did support him, but I was more sceptical of him than most of the other socdem judas goat candidates popping up over the past few years. Today it’s such a bewildering scandal that there is no logical defense of it. Either he’s too stupid to hold public office and you’re supporting John Fetterman or he’s a Nazi and you’re supporting John Fetterman. If a candidate having a giant Nazi tattoo over their heart doesn’t deter someone, their instincts are too weird and I don’t trust their intentions.
And its most damming indigent when the this niche section of the “most” revolutionary section of the american left is falling on their knees for the socdem du jour over and over and over again. It seems not even a nazi tattoo is enough to make them question themselves.
