Look up controlnet workflows or VACE, just to start, much less little niches in vapoursynth pipelines or image editing layers. You could spend days training them, messing with the implementation, then doing the manual work of carefully and deliberately applying them. This has, in fact, has been happening in film production for awhile, just in disguise.
Same with, say, LLMs used in game mods where appropriate, like the Rimworld mod. That’s careful creative expression.
…As usual, it’s tech bros fucking everything up by dumbing it down to zero-option prompt box and then shoving that in front of as many people as possible to try and monopolize their attention.
In other words, I agree with the author that what I hate about ‘AI art’ is the low effort ‘sloppiness.’ It’s gross, like rotten fast food. It makes me sad. And that’s 99.999% of all AI art.
…But it doesn’t have to be like that.
It’s like saying the concept of the the fediverse sucks because Twitter/Facebook suck, even if 99.999% of what folks see is the slop of the later. It’s not fair to the techniques, and it’s not holding the jerks behind mass slop proliferation accountable.
I’ve spent five, six hours getting an ai generated image to be just what I want using stable diffusion models, comfyui, various Lora’s, op adapters, etc. I’ve made ai generated songs that I’ve taken the considerable time writing rhyming lyrics that express what I want.
Generating ai art doesn’t make me an artist. Generating ai music doesn’t make you a musician. Though if you’ve written the lyrics yourself it DOES make you a poet. And if you’re getting down into the nitty gritty fine tuning modules (which I have done), as well as using more complex tools available, it IS difficult and it DOES take time to learn.
This shit can get REALLY technical and there is a lot to learn and it can be very difficult to produce something you’re proud of.
Does it mean making something with ai means it’s as difficult as making real art? No. They’re completely different skill sets.
Does writing the lyrics to an ai generated song make you a musician? No. Do writing engaging, catchy lyrics that you have a computer into a song make you a good lyricist? Yes.
People use familiar terms to describe new skill sets and technology. The new thing can’t be hard because the old thing is hard. writing lyrics doesn’t matter as an act of personal creation because an ai did the rest. When you start really looking at this shit and drawing you see dimensions of nuance far beyond “ai bad”
i’m excited for the future of art. we have the potential for a new age of renaissance men who master the arts, humanities, and sciences all at once.
i think a lot of people shitting on genAI don’t see engineering itself as art… and i think that’s a piss-poor, deathly sad view of this world. it’s like 2/3 of westerners weirdly resent anything “math or science coded” as they might call it. a shame. a damn shame.
There are difficult ‘AI’ tools.
Look up controlnet workflows or VACE, just to start, much less little niches in vapoursynth pipelines or image editing layers. You could spend days training them, messing with the implementation, then doing the manual work of carefully and deliberately applying them. This has, in fact, has been happening in film production for awhile, just in disguise.
Same with, say, LLMs used in game mods where appropriate, like the Rimworld mod. That’s careful creative expression.
…As usual, it’s tech bros fucking everything up by dumbing it down to zero-option prompt box and then shoving that in front of as many people as possible to try and monopolize their attention.
In other words, I agree with the author that what I hate about ‘AI art’ is the low effort ‘sloppiness.’ It’s gross, like rotten fast food. It makes me sad. And that’s 99.999% of all AI art.
…But it doesn’t have to be like that.
It’s like saying the concept of the the fediverse sucks because Twitter/Facebook suck, even if 99.999% of what folks see is the slop of the later. It’s not fair to the techniques, and it’s not holding the jerks behind mass slop proliferation accountable.
I’ve spent five, six hours getting an ai generated image to be just what I want using stable diffusion models, comfyui, various Lora’s, op adapters, etc. I’ve made ai generated songs that I’ve taken the considerable time writing rhyming lyrics that express what I want.
Generating ai art doesn’t make me an artist. Generating ai music doesn’t make you a musician. Though if you’ve written the lyrics yourself it DOES make you a poet. And if you’re getting down into the nitty gritty fine tuning modules (which I have done), as well as using more complex tools available, it IS difficult and it DOES take time to learn.
This shit can get REALLY technical and there is a lot to learn and it can be very difficult to produce something you’re proud of.
Does it mean making something with ai means it’s as difficult as making real art? No. They’re completely different skill sets.
Does writing the lyrics to an ai generated song make you a musician? No. Do writing engaging, catchy lyrics that you have a computer into a song make you a good lyricist? Yes.
People use familiar terms to describe new skill sets and technology. The new thing can’t be hard because the old thing is hard. writing lyrics doesn’t matter as an act of personal creation because an ai did the rest. When you start really looking at this shit and drawing you see dimensions of nuance far beyond “ai bad”
Precisely. AI art is bad because the users making “art” with it essentially have such bad taste they’ll publish anything the AI shits out.
There exist artistic ways to use AI as a tool, but none of them are easy. In fact they might be harder than just painting the damn picture yourself.
based and real-pilled, the both of you.
i’m excited for the future of art. we have the potential for a new age of renaissance men who master the arts, humanities, and sciences all at once.
i think a lot of people shitting on genAI don’t see engineering itself as art… and i think that’s a piss-poor, deathly sad view of this world. it’s like 2/3 of westerners weirdly resent anything “math or science coded” as they might call it. a shame. a damn shame.