Didn’t know where to post this but man, I so get it.
Alright, I’m getting shitloads of reports all over these comments, mostly people whining to mommy when people disagree with them hoping I’ll ban whoever it is they don’t like.
It seems like all the old talking points have been said and everyone’s positions are as entrenched as they’re going to get. I’m locking this; give it a rest, you lot.
“Americans should take responsibility!” But when an American takes responsibility and apologized even though that person probably voted for someone else and is doing what they can to fight back “well fuck you”.
So you want some hard pills to swallow?
If you are mad at Trump, whether you’re from the US or not, but bought things from Amazon, still using Twitter, still using Facebook, still buying from Nestle, still using Uber, still using Robin Hood, or any of the who knows what companies that have given Trump money, then you’re compliant. Especially if you did that before the election. You helped fund this.
You think Americans should rise up in the streets? Actually get up and do something instead of apologize online? Well you know that people can do both, right? Maybe ask people how they are getting involved instead of assuming they aren’t doing anything, and get, if they aren’t, that might get them off of their lazy asses.
You think we should overthrow the government? Ok, where’s your military? Seems like most of the world leaders are willing to take the knee and let that lunatic run rampant because they are scared of our overblown military that, frankly, most of us don’t even want, so why aren’t you fighting? If your fully trained, well equipped military can’t handle the US, how do you expect a bunch of civilians to be able to? Where’s your help if that’s so easy? Sure our country is larger than most and about a third of a continent, but if it should be easy for us then it should be cake for you!
Most of us didn’t vote for the guy, and he’s the least popular president in history, even lower than the second least popular president, which was Jim at his last term. “Oh but a third didn’t vote at all!” But you don’t know why they didn’t vote. Some might’ve been apathetic, but some might’ve been in our bullshit hospitals, and some might’ve been turned away at the polls, or maybe it’s because we’re working three jobs just to keep a roof over our head and enough shit food to keep from starving, who the fuck knows. Dude lost the popular vote both times but because we’ve got a fucked up voting system no one will change once they have won using it, he still won.
I’m not trying to be a dick here, and I know you all are frustrated because of this nut job. We are, too. The country has been taken over by oligarchs and now you care because he’s threatening to invade places with white people.
But you can’t tell people to have empathy and take responsibility then talk shit about them when they do. You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say that it’s shitty for people to paint with broad strokes and say an entire group of people is the exact same and demonize them, then do the same for an entire population of a country.
You can’t say that it’s entirely on Americans when you’re still giving money to people backing him and aren’t fighting him either.
So maybe instead of bitching about people who feel bad about something they didn’t do apologizing, figure out what you might be doing that’s contributing and stop it.
Boycott the USA.
still buying from Nestle
Hey, that’s our shitty company! Should still be boycotted though.
Greetings from Switzerland.
They still donated millions to the current regime. That is exactly what they mean. Trump is a symptom of western neoliberal capitalism and we are ALL at fault. Where you spend your money matters and people have, in large part, actively ignored a lot of bullshit in the name of comfort. Nestle barely scratches the surface.
Not to be salty, but I’m curious, do you have random people on the Internet assuming you’re in favor of child slavery and think that all Swedes think water shouldn’t be a human right?
I’m also still very tired of hearing people outside the USA telling us to start spilling each other’s blood willy nilly.
These comments from people saying that every single American is an evil monster because of their government are displaying the exact same hatred and ignorance that allows fascism to thrive. Which explains why far-right politicians have been gaining power all over the world. Watch your backs, people from other countries looking down their noses at the US - you’re next if you don’t do something about your problems at home, like you’re saying Americans should do. You haven’t been doing a very good job so far.
How is apologizing for something you didn’t do taking responsibility? It’s just irrational. Of course Greenlanders are tired of empty hypocrisy. They are scared af
I’m fucking sick of watching Americans still use these services, buy these products. It’s fu king infuriating to the point where I’m saying shit to strangers outside. Stop supporting the boot on your neck!
Most Americans won’t give up the slightest bit of comfort, and I’m bout to start throwing hands.
For the down voters, wah wah ur poor Amazon, lazy fucks .
YOU ALL, Dems/libs/Reps created this and let this happen.
They are fascists or fascist-lite.
If you realize it or not.
Clearly not from you distancing yourself from the other side of your uniparty and absolving yourself of all guilt.
Here’s a nice Dante quote for you.
You act no different than that snake Bernie singling out ‘the netanyahoo government’ as the cause of everything in Palestine, as if that whole shit country wasn’t evil since the very beginning. It once again become a fair and great democracy just like before, please don’t blame poor Israel!
Exactly like the US situation.
So what if you voted for Copmala and Genocide Joe? Do you want a medal for that and think you’re better than the evil Trumpers?
Not to the rest of the planet.
Bombs hit just as hard on brown people under the slick drone king or whatever face was in charge while you still believed you were the greatest thing on the planet and couldn’t be bothered.
An you’re still butthurt and shamelesly blaming the few people with a conscience for not wanting to vote for a genocide enabling ghoul.
But because of that I have to suffer now!!! Poor me!!!Truth is the vast majority of your cancer country, Dems/libs/Reps alike were always America first, fuck the rest.
Now the chickens come home to roost.
Nobody needs to apologize and nobody needs to count on sympathy.
You can all go to hell
I’m trans I barely get treated like a person and have my options severely limited. Don’t give me that shit about how every American is responsible when we tried to tell people and got ridiculed and called slurs for it and got rape threats. Kiss my ass.
“think about how you view other countries, for example Russia”
Okay, I do not at all in any way think about the average Russian citizen the way people on this fucking site seem to think about the average American citizen. The idea that I would demand those innocent people essentially commit suicide through armed conflict is demented, yet there’s no such qualms about Americans.
All that being said though, I have to agree, going to random communities and saying you’re sorry is useless. It only serves to make you feel slightly better and does nothing to actually help the situation, akin to wishing thoughts and prayers.
Oh look, a post which has no informational content and who’s only possible outcome is to create division amongst the civilian populations of two allied countries.
Oh look, it is posted by an account who has a perfectly normal comment history but a strange affinity for posting content which creates a comment section full of divisive conversations between:
- Greenland and US Citizens (This thread, Again here, )
- US Citizens (MAGA v Not, Same but using the Charlie Kirk angle, same but using the anti-vaxx angle)
- AI vs Anti-AI (Post)
- US Citizens vs The world (Tariffs Angle)
- Racial Tensions (Here)
y’all realize that all these posts do is echo divisional language, right?
like, it’s literally saying “you’re part of the problem because you live there”. the same could be said about literally anything.
Denmark’s ineptitude and unwillingness to fight Russia is the reason why they were allowed to invade Ukraine and they are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Ukrainians. Every citizen of Denmark has their hands stained in Ukrainian blood because of their inaction to force their government to intervene. it’s your fault that Putin is brazen enough to invade sovereign nations and you only attempt to garner sympathy when the US tries to do the same to you in Greenland.
see? not even difficult to twist words around and divide us. it’s all a mechanic to make us weaker, it’s actually exactly what Trump is doing by pulling the US out of agreements and support systems. they want to make us all weaker by dividing us.
don’t listen to users who use divisional language when it comes to world politics, it only serves to further the fascist agenda.
The entire thing is blaming the victim. As if people suffering under Trump are somehow complicit in their own suffering and they should just overthrow him violently.
It’s typical armchair revolutionary nonsense, people who post this crap and want to blame everyone else, which is very easy to do in an online echochamber full of ignorant people who are just venting their angst.
As a Canadian who is under direct economic and now physical threat by magapolitik: yes and no.
The entire thing is NOT victim blaming. If two thirds of the electorate supported the fascists, the remaining third is both victim and responsible, and the ONLY way to fix this problem at the moment is for that demographic to recognize it, despite the education system and popular culture suppressing nuance in thinking.
So often, the apologies or calls for sympathy are founded in a deep individualism and shallow civic duty. Yeah, it’s your neighbours who are the soil that grows fascism. You have to fix it at the root: education, civic development, secularism, humanism, community, collective action. You have to heal rifts of creed and work hard to eliminate racism, and realize that the endgame of capitalism is always oligarchy and imperialism.
So yeah ‘fix your shit’ applies when we feel like “service neighbours” for your absolution, as we are not going to make you feel better when we are stressed by your collective existential threats and you are showing a distinct lack of responsibility.
On the other hand I know of lots of folks who are already preparing to support refugees, particularly trans etc., so we are being practical here about the active victim situation, not just keyboarding.
The electoral college system in America means that a certain number of electors are assigned per state. Most states electors are assigned on a winner takes all basis. For instance even in deep red Texas he only got 56% of the vote but was assigned ALL Texas’s electors just like Harris received all California’s electors. Electors are assigned by state not by population so you could theoretically win with as little as 1/3 of the vote.
We cannot basically ever change this via normal political process because the Southern traitors would lose votes and amending our constitution requires overwhelming not majority support.
There are approx 338M people in the US. Approx 85 M didn’t get to vote because they were under 18 in November of 2024. Of the remaining 253M 77M voted for Trump 75 for Harris and 100M didn’t vote.
Many of those who didn’t vote lived in districts and states that were already decided in which those residents had no voice because of our broken system. A system that now endangers us and the world.
If you poll people the percentate that actually support Trump and his policies isn’t the percentage of the vote he received, 48%, its 39%
You said 2/3 but its a hell of a lot closer to a third.
You assert that if the missing 100 million showed up it would make no difference in the outcome, so they were not showing tacit support? I remain unconvinced.
No. I’m saying that many not all were effectively disenfranchised by a system that would effectively give their votes to the opposing side no matter how they voted. For example blue voters in Texas.
You asserted that American’s were collectively complicit because 2/3 voted for him. This isn’t true. 48% voted for him. Voter turnout was furthermore suppressed by a system in which blue voters in red districts/states have no hope of representation. The actual support for Trump is actually only 39% of Americans.
61% of us are along the ride.
No, I know you are trying to argue in good faith, but I asserted that 2/3 supported, which includes not voting, regardless of defeatism. If the vast majority voted in opposition but still failed, there would be much more impetus for electoral reform, for example.
Failure to actively oppose at the polls is tacit support, even if it’s negligent. Disenfranchised votes are worth struggle.
Failure to actively oppose at the polls is tacit support,
25% of the population were under 18 during the election they cannot be said to tacitly support trump.
22% of people voted directly for Harris they directly opposed trump.
This alone is 47% of the population! This alone disproves your 2/3 narrative!
30% of the pop by not voting did not cast a tacit vote for Trump. Few countries have 100% voter turnout in any free country. A sane mathematical treatment of the situation is to assume that a sufficiently large sample is representative OR to ask people.
If 48% of voters voted for Trump we assume 48% of those who were adults in 2024 are responsible or 36% or we can ask people if they support Trump and we get 39%.
Most in the US aren’t for our modern day nazis
2024 was the second highest voter turn out in history. Second to 2020. Trump lost the polular vote. You just dont understand what youre talking about.
After all votes were counted he won the popular vote by a small margin but bear in mind 100M literally didn’t vote. Apathy is as big an issue as evil.
I’m one of the ones who did vote against him but I live in Los Angeles. In LA County, 2.4 million voted for Harris, 1.2 million voted for Trump, and 1.9 million didn’t vote. (45 thousand voted for RFK, Stein or other fringe candidates.)
A million of those non-voters could have all voted one way, EITHER way, without changing the results. So what “tacit support” are you talking about?
The entirety of California’e electoral votes went to Harris. But the electoral college is unbalanced,
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/electoral-college-states-representation/
so our candidate got 9 fewer electoral votes than she would have if it were fair. And even if all 1.9 million Los Angeles non-voters had voted for her it wouldn’t have changed a thing.
Should they have voted anyway? Yes, if only because of the local elections and propositions they could have had a voice in.
And California is one of the easiest, most vote-supportive states, which mails a vote-by-mail ballot and supplemental information packets to every registered voter.
But if someone didn’t, I’m not going to ascribe some kind of blame or “tacit support” label to them instead of hearing their individual situation.
the solutions you are suggesting will take 50+ years to develop. and nobody is interested in investing them, democrat or republican. there is no political platform for any of that in the USA.
You basically are suggesting we be entirely different than we are. it’s not possible. everyone is going the opposite way. most ‘leftists’ in american are actively embracing racism just like the far right.
also you canadians have a lot of the same root problems as americans. cost of COL is through the roof, you refuse to reform immigration, and you are increasingly polarized, and deinvesting in helathcare and education. you’re just a decade or two behind. I lived in canada for 3 years. It was very much America in the 90s. things are better generally, but nobody is addressing any of the real problems and the citizen themselves don’t want to do it because it would be too painful.
I mean lecture every american all you want, it’s not going to change the facts on the ground. the notion of some sort of deep common humanism doesn’t exist anymore in our politics and it hasn’t since the 1960s.
Bullshit. A few years when the commitment is there and collective responsibility is widespread.
a few years nothing will change. the democrats don’t do anything, they just kick the can down the road and pretend it’s fine. all they are is more polite than the republicans. maybe you don’t remember recently history but Biden and Obama admins did nothign to address serious problems. they just threw a couple of bandaids on our bleeding wounds and called it a day.
This pessimism is annoyingly familiar to Canadians, but we usually express it with a hint of irony.
it’s not pessimism, it’s understanding how people work.
The funny thing about leftist/progressive agenda is… everyone is for it, until it impacts them personally. Everyone wants more housing, more immigration, more education… until its in their town and their tax bill goes up. Then all the sudden they are VERY opposed to these things.
My own very blue city just had lots of tax rates go up. All the sudden our very popular progressive major is getting a lot less popular… and her progressive plans to expand and fund new things is now being cut back…
weird how that works, right? it’s almost as if people don’t want the things they say they want…
everyone’s idealism disappears when the bills come due and the cold hard facts of finite resources and infinite demand slap them in the face.
Yeah, I came here to say something like this. The writer of the post has just as much power to effect change as the average American does. Why aren’t they doing something about it? Oh right, because they fucking can’t. This language serves no purpose but to attempt to divide and inflame.
Individualism and authoritarianism demands a hero comes along to bandaid all the problems. Don’t fall for it.
Civic responsibility doesn’t mean standing on a pile of bodies holding a rifle aloft.
well it makes the poster feel important and righteous and superior to all those evil bad people. it’s really what it’s about.
it’s a fork of jerking off your ego. which is like 99.9% of any political posts.
I mean, cmon. Every country can become like this, no people are special. Hating people for not instantly becoming martyrs by committing terrorism in their own country is a bit dumb.
We have to nudge them a bit, fund resistances, saboteurs, maybe an outside intervention. Civilians are just civilians.
This is how we get countries cut off from the world, who become eternal reprobates, and we never have good relations with them again.
There are good people and bad people in every country. Yes, the US government is bad. Yes, the Russian government is bad. That does not mean every person in those countries are also bad.
There are people in Russia trying their best to resist Putin. People risk their lives doing that and people have died doing that.
There are also people here in the US doing their best to resist fascism. Here too, people have died doing that.
It is unreasonable to expect every American to oppose fascism, just like it is unreasonable to expect that of every Greenlander. Remember there is a small percentage of Greenlanders who do support Trump.
Opposing fascism is difficult, dangerous, and slow. It takes a long time for change to happen. Think about all the bad governments out there. I’m sure that for each one you can find resistance to them that has been around for a long time.
So if the situation was flipped, would you want us to make a post complaining about Greenlanders apologizing?
I think you’re focusing a bit to much on the last paragraph. In context of the first few paragraphs I think it’s clear that they don’t mean individual Americans are not doing enough, but instead the political opposition is not percieved as much. And I think assume you would agree the Democratic party as a whole is too complicit.
You are correct.
No I want to make a post about Canadians apologizing. I want the world to go back to normal.
Who has died resisting Trump, nobody.
Renee Nicole Good.
Meh, most of rest of the world are also supporting this regime by still trading with the US, using their services, investing in their companies, and buying their debt. None of what’s happening would be possible without the world’s support.
“Hey guys just so you know, showing empathy is stupid virtue signaling. Remember when you catch yourself blaming Russians for Putin’s actions and realize it is wrong to do that? Actually you need to ignore that feeling – it’s justified. Blame all the Russians. Even though you feel utterly crushed and powerless right now, um, do something about it. Sure, that’s a billion times easier to say than both do and succeed at, but that’s your problem. Maybe try fucking yourself? I dunno just be better or something.”
the problem is if you do have empathy for people, everyone will hate you for it because it won’t be for the people they like in particular.
i have empathy for every american, but if i say that to other americans they tell me i’m a facist/racist/bigot for not wanting to kill and murder people who voted republican. the hatred is from both sides towards each other is insane and anyone who tries to rise above it is just accused of being on the ‘other side’.
and fwiw most of my threats come from progressive leftists, whom i vote for. they often hate their own supporters and wonder why more people aren’t progressive… because you drive them away with your hateful and angry rhetoric that you falsely being is ‘better’ than the angry and hateful rhetoric of ‘facists’ you so despise.
I don’t think that’s true.
trump supporters don’t think it’s true that trump is a racist facist either.
I don’t see why you would get downvoted here except if it’s by people who know they do exactly what you’re complaining about… I get where you’re coming from. Although I question your use of quotes on fascists. They are indeed fascists. Doesn’t mean they all deserve to die though.
that to lemmy users who send me violent hateful messages and replies for daring to have a mildly different political opinion than them.
lots and lots of users here are totally OK with violence against anyone they disagree with, and are 100% against it when it’s against the people they do agree with. Funny how that attitude works… it’s only ‘wrong’ if it’s against someone you don’t like.
Yeah. I think violence should be avoided at all costs, but there are some people alive right now who won’t respond to anything else. They’re definitely in the vast minority though.
This is how some of you sound
No usian thinks “I’m sorry” is enough. It’s just a thing to let the world know we are not all crazy. Liberals are continually in shock that the orange child is doing what he said he would do. And some things no one thought he would do. Conservatives continue getting orange dust on their lips. It’s going to be a long fall for the U.S. and I’m afraid this stupid ridiculous Greenland situation will not even be in news in a few months(no matter how it turns out) as things get even stupider and more rediculous. Many more deaths in the U.S. More democratic institutions destroyed. Laws subverted in response to the backlash.
This really sucks for you. It’s going to suck for everyone.
Just hoping obese shithole has a heart attack asap.
I asbolutely do have some nuance for Russians. I am friends with many of them and realize they are powerless to topple the government because I’m not 14
I see all your posts. And I understand that the government does not speak for yourself. I have compassion for your situation, of course. But, truly, your “I am sorry” really is useless. Please don’t go thinking that your “I am sorry” message is enough. That you are doing something. That message is akin to doing nothing. Hopefully, you are doing more than that.
And also, dear Americans, whatever it is you are doing, you could be doing more.
I mean there are people that would blame me for the CCP’s actions just because I was born there… so… like…
lol
Now I guess I get double the blame for my family leaving China and now we have US Citizenship and voted blue every time 🙃, even tho like its really cis-het christian rich white men that controls all the media, and with that control, they have a huge sway over any “elections”, not to mention, political parties have control of how the presidential primaries are run…
But sure, blame the civillians instead of those in power…
I mean, I get it… it’s frustrating times and emotions are intense, but like… really? Lol
