Imagine thinking you did anything with this response besides shit your pants then trip landing head first in the toilet bowl.

lmfao

Mate this is my first comment in this comment chain

“in this comment chain” being the operative part, as if people don’t have eyes to see you’ve been doing the same bullshit in this thread.

said something before a very public turnaround 5 years ago,

lmfao when this was started it was how could you possibly think he thought or believed anything bad, now it’s before several years ago when he definitely for real changed all his views just don’t ask me to name what those views are after I keep demanding everyone else provide evidence, next it’ll be “but did he say it literally last week???”

Just shut the fuck up and learn to not be so pathetic. Fucking hell.

Mate, are you really just gonna keep moving the goalposts and doing this subpar jordan peterson fan shit?

Imagine being this pathetically tied to a youtuber, holy shit.

He has stated his favourite author is a Japanese fascist who wanted to restore the emperor, Yukio Mishima, who tried to do a coup and killed himself when he failed.

But I’m sure he just likes the guy for his prose, and has no particular fixation or interest in Nazi and fascist imagery and politics.

but as you’re resorting to lame ad hominems

lmao

all people who don’t share my political naivety are “cultists”

invokes ad hominem so your argument is invalid

Perfect representation of STEMlord redditor.

As a developer and maintainer of FOSS, you are a part of the problem I’m describing

The problem being we aren’t all as absurdly shallow in our understanding of the world and politics as you are? Get your head out of your arse.

“He’s a nice guy” “being along for the ride” “I saw his transformation over the years” “People hate for the sake of hating”.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/2/17/14613234/pewdiepie-nazi-satire-alt-right

He has repeatedly and overtly used Nazi imagery, made a multitude of “jokes” like this:

Mr. Kjellberg says the material is portrayed in jest. He showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to conclude a Dec. 8 video. He also played the Nazi Party anthem before bowing to a swastika in a mock resurrection ritual on Jan. 14, and included a very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying “Sieg Heil” and the text “Nazi Confirmed” near the beginning of a Feb. 5 video.

[…]

In addition to more overt Nazi symbolism, Kjellberg makes references to the alt-right that are veiled but obvious if you know where to look. In one video from late August, he makes an extended racist joke comparing Harambe the gorilla to Saturday Night Live and Ghostbusters actress and comedian Leslie Jones, echoing the widespread politically tinged, racist harassment that Jones endured last summer, largely from the alt-right.

And in another video from November, Kjellberg overlays a swastika, along with audio of a speech from Hitler, over unrelated commentary about clickbait YouTube channels. He then goes on to refer to BuzzFeed as “a bunch of cucks” — “cuck” being an alt-right buzzword.

It’s not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.

FOSS is literally a political and ideological set of positions. The entire thing that makes Free Software and Open Source differentiated from just “normal” software development and distribution are a set of political and organisational positions, which are in limited fashion codified and expressed in software licenses, and also through e.g. structure of organisations around projects and why they’re structured that way.

Without that, you just get companies making money from pawning off a portion of their development and infrastructure costs to volunteers and other organisations (non-profits, other companies, governments).

Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software,

FOSS isn’t about fandom of a particular piece of software.

and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won’t need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They’re trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.

This is absurdly politcally and socially naive. Also can we please ban stemlords from ascribing every aspect of politics and political advocacy to always being a cult.

I don’t really care, I saw his transformation over the years and while I didn’t like most his content he is a nice guy. And being along for the ride was sort of like every time something happened you basically were part of (yt) history books xD

You sound like an insanely parasocial 15 year old, grow up and stop getting mad at people not liking your favourite youtuber.

If you can provide evidence for what really happened, I’ll happily take a look.

I wasn’t able to get screenshots before I was banned, and the moderator in question very clearly scrubbed the chat to cover the whole thing and whatever other mess other people attested to happening afterwards. The only thing anyone can do is take my word for it, and accounts of some of the other people who posted and saw the aftermath.

I did, however, get accused of making antisemitic remarks, which never happened, but comments were seen being made by others in these comments after I had already been banned. So either the moderator lied, or is terrible at moderating and lumped me in with antisemitic users as an excuse or because they’re just that bad at handling moderation.

https://todon.nl/@glacial/114744544014616152

And yes, my language was harsh, and I apologise for that. I’ve just seen people making up drama to discredit communities before, and it gets on my nerves somewhat.

And in response you made up a bunch of bullshit in an effort to discredit me. In other words, you made up drama.

Copying my comment from the other thread (they’ve made a few).

No, “they” haven’t. I have made exactly one thread. Other people may have cross posted elsewhere, but there is exactly one from the person who saw this firsthand, which is me.

Firstly, the entire conversation was scrubbed from the chat, and it was done so before the lemmy.ml callout post was discovered/made. So claiming that they’re “okay with it” is a bit of a stretch.

No, it isn’t a stretch, considering I literally described how the only person to get moderated and get called a nutcase was the person calling out racism, which was me.

I don’t know or care enough to say who is right or wrong, but here you go in case anyone wants to look into it.

Yet you still felt the need to comment and make up a bunch of bullshit out of nowhere, as if that’s remotely meaningful or irrelevant to anyone looking into it.

What I assumed happened is that people were talking about the lawsuit and someone offhandedly mentioned Asmongold. Then GlacialTurtle decided to go on a long rant about genocide and then was told to cool it. Because obviously anyone that doesn’t want to talk about genocide in a server about Linux software is in fact tactily supporting genocide, Turtle doubled down and ended up getting banned. Then they went to their next platform to complain about it, Lemmy, and now here we are two degrees removed from the discussion with no actual receipts.

None of this happened. You literally invented a whole scenario in your own head just to attack someone, so as to defend something you didn’t see, about a topic you admit you don’t know anything about, because like so many other dipshits online, you feel the need to spew out a take based on nothing than your own ill-concieved, ill-informed presumptions, because you’re a fucking idiot.

What you assumed is irrelevant, because it turns out assumptions can be wrong.

I guess damage control after what resplendent said, seeing as the stuff I mentioned as prompting a response from me I’m pretty sure had been up for a while and had a response from the mod already with no action (nothing about topics being inappropriate or anything like that, no actual moderation was done at the time). It was only me saying anything that prompted any reaction.

Which I guess is a very good demonstration of why you don’t let that shit fester or you get people like that thinking they’re welcome. Would you be willing to maybe send me some screenshots? (be careful there’s no personally identifying information in them)

They deleted everything you posted and talked about it for a bit.

Of course they did, first rule of every bad moderator is immediately deleting shit. Did they leave the other responses up? Someone specifically said something along the lines of “Palestinians were kicked out of every culture”.

Some others have come in to pick a fight with them.

To push back on their racist shit? If so, then based, as they say.

I’m sorry you don’t care that spaces adjacent to software projects aren’t properly moderated, but I think it’s pretty important if developers are going to publicise spaces to get tech support, talk about the project, contribute etc. that they shouldn’t be home to racist and even genocidal rhetoric as a baseline of decency.

And if you don’t have the means to moderate these spaces, don’t operate them and certainly don’t promote and link them on your official site and other social media. Is it really terminally online to not want far right adjacent shit associated with your project and promoted across your websites as the place to go for support?

At the very least it’s linked directly from their homepage and their masto page: https://fosstodon.org/@lutris

I don’t think so? I didn’t think to grab the username before I was kicked. But the discord is linked on the website and their masto page, invite link works, so people can probably see for themselves (offtopic channel).

BTW, you are not a nutcase and do not deserve to be banned for calling them out.

With my experience over the last year, it’s nice for once for someone to not just be like “Ohh so you think Hamas is good???” and all that bullshit for once.

Seeing far right adjacent shit go unchallenged is difficult for me to ignore, even moreso when they then just casually engage in racist rhetoric against Palestinians to excuse literal genocidal language. Was never really active in the discord until seeing that shit just being left alone to fester, and clearly it has the approval of whoever is left to mod there.

You assume Starmer has not also been of this opinion. Why.

You genuinely are a fucking moron.

Being unable to consider the ideas of others sans your own ideas. Is why people fail to change minds.

Reminder that the context for this is genocide, and you’re response is to turn this into a session of huffing your own farts by making this about an abstract failure to change hearts and minds, as if Keir Starmer has simply not heard a good argument as to why genocide is bad, and as if literally being in government isn’t an ideal situation with which to change minds by actually having a fucking spine and being able to put forward a case against Israel and against genocide, rather than defaulting to cowardice and defending Israel.

There is a reason the labour right is obsessed with the idea “power is needed to invoke any change”. Mainly a long history of losing when ideals override winning. So not implementing any ideals.

The ideals they’re implementing are cutting disability benefits, shitting on trans people, backing genocide and reinforcing far right rhetoric and policies against immigration. They’re political enemies using power for ends they prefer or are more comfortable with. not some stoner engaging in a debate about the meaning of life.