Thank you, what would the elevator be in this analogy? Can’t think of any elegant, smooth, safe way out of this political cluster fuck.

The Washington establishment is called that precisely because it has been legitimized and established. If you want to delegitimize it, that could serve as the first step to achieve a solution. I’m not saying our views are even contrasting, our methodology is.

Spreading the good word doesn’t mean much when there’s nothing that follows. No plan, no suggested actions, just small groups struggling to do what they can. All we can presently do is slow the bleeding. Getting tired of bleeding doesn’t mean to just stop holding the wound.

There is no alternative. Third party is not an option and if you think the DNC hates progressives, you’re not looking at the RNC. Democrats are the only window. The only solution under the current system. Yes, decry the system is broken and we will nod on solem agreement. Short of a revolution, the Democrat party is the best current solution.

Anyone who isn’t a nazi should be voting blue. Any other option allows a nazi to be elected. This is a trolly problem but with the whole of the United States and to a degree the globe. Stop overcomplicating it.

Mamdani is a progressive democrat, if course the establishment democrats are against him. Yet, he’s about to become mayor. Yes we all know the DNC scuttled Bernie which is why I never said to fund the DNC I said vote blue. An establishment dem is better than a republican. A progressive dem is better than an establishment dem.

The only way a progressive gets elected is as a Democrat. Mamdani proves it. We can’t even do ranked choice voting because Republicans would never win again, so they block it.

You’re screaming what we already know. There is no ignorance, you are no town crier, you are simply noise for the sake of it and I’m sick of the unintelligent cacophony.

I didn’t ask if it was your country, I said present a viable solution and steps to achieve the better outcome. You are no different from a baby crying for milk. You don’t care how you get it, don’t care what happens to get it to your mouth, you just want it now and refuse to be silent until it happens. People like you slow progress with your incessant babbling.

You have energy with no direction. Outrage without clear purpose. And you often act like an anchor to things you’d otherwise be able to benefit from. Worst of all you are incapable of distinguishing severity. You are a mind broken centrist (or ultra leftist) that can’t figure out we can get rid of all the kid touchers with the left, while the right is defending them whole sale.

We cannot have a left of left party while the right still exists. We cannot remove the right by allowing them to be elected.

Yeah people like you just don’t have a solution. You’d rather wait for a cure to the cancer than to get treatments done. We all know the treatments aren’t perfect, we know we’re slowly dying, why the fuck do we need you screaming it? You’re yelling in a cancer ward that the treatments aren’t cures. No shit.

Yeah you’re right there’s no difference between jumping off a building and using stairs. The long term solution is to get to the bottom, does it matter how?

Lol I swear to god some of you are just accelerationists. You have four options when voting rolls around. Vote red, vote blue, vote green, do nothing.

Voting red accelerates the damage, policies that don’t align with your core personal beliefs are implemented and things get worse, fast. Laws that granted more freedom, repealed. Laws that stifle retaliation, rubber stamped. Regression in its purest form.

Voting blue slows things down, opens the gate for progressives to enter the space, even going as far as to win despite aid from the DNC. Mamdani for example. Can lead to fundamental system changes.

Voting green (or “morality voting”) usually ends in a lack of funding for the candidate, causing too few people to know who they are. Normies will not vote for a name they don’t recognize or a party they don’t identify as.

Not voting (or “Protesting the system”) leads to candidates that don’t represent the interests of the country being elected and makes it easier for those with money to make it harder to actually change the system.

The reason nothing gets fucking done is because you get it in your head to be cute. You want to purity test the left rather than shutting the fuck up and just voting blue. Republicans cannibalized themselves for like a month over speaker of the house, then got their shit together and just pass anything red. In 6 months they have caused more political damage to this country than any left candidate has ever hoped to try. And stupid purists like you are a massive reason why he got elected. Twice.

Yeah so maybe we go after the worst ones before burning both bridges and getting nothing done. You’re acting like a centrist voting third party out of morality. Guess who won? The worst guys. Maybe fucking focus on a winning strategy to take out Hitler before we move on to mini Hitler.

You might be chronically online buddy

You guys are assuming there isn’t one on the dumpster with no evidence of that. You’re creating your own realities based on bias.

Yes I fully understand some people have genuine mental health issues and believe a profile picture being rooted in a form of media someone else personally enjoys somehow invalidates their opinion. The people who truly hold this perception, themselves, often don’t understand or hate from the outside.

Those who don’t understand something will often degrade or disregard it in an attempt to maintain credibility with others who share the same warped views. This is tribalism mixed with counter culture.

There is no foundation for a good faith discussion. To what end would telling an idiot they’re an idiot grant either of us?

I think it’s good to be able to empathize with fiction, to naturally resist the choice that hurts people or things, even if it’s fake.

But yes yeeting a fictional child over a building can still be hilarious to watch.

Brother it’s a picture. I’m not giving the internet my real face. I’m not uploading a picture of my lifted truck nor my hellcat. Some of yall are just haters projecting. It ain’t that deep.

Instance 849 of Republicans contradicting themselves and lying to get what they want.

“You pass a law that states cars can’t have greenhouse gasses by 2035”

Apples and oranges. Demanding cars transition to clean fuel alternatives is not the same as demanding game manufacturers design and implement systems that must be fully functional in an offline state. This would be akin to demanding nuclear reactors be retrofitted to use fusion by 2035. Despite it not being sustainable or commercially possible.

“Release server binaries”

How do you enforce that? Legally compel a company to publish the server binaries with every copy of the game? Are developers expected to eat the cost when copies are pirated and use third party servers? I love things like FiveM or private servers for dead MMORPGs but those are usually created as a niche for specific communities. Is every game expected to have third party servers? Sounds magical but under capitalism, that’s an insane demand.

“The ability to patch games has been around since forever”

I’m not talking about the ability because yes it’s always technically been possible, I’m talking in 9/10 cases you’d get a physical copy of a game and that was it. Unchanging. It shipped and it’s done. You owned the disk, the data on that disk, and had full control over it aside from redistribution for profit. Actual updates that were delivered over the internet came around the same time as Steam and DRM programs.

I genuinely don’t see how we can fully own our games while developers retain the legal ability to modify them. The law as it exists gives the consumer protections around owned property like that.

“You’re arguing with strawmen”

I am deriving statements from insinuations you yourself are making. Consumer protections prevent companies from altering things they sell you. It’s your property after the sale. It’s possible you’re unaware of that but it’s an extremely strong reason why the industry made the switch. It wasn’t just for giggles or greed.

“That server software can run on any computer just as well”

Okay explain to me what happens when Final Fantasy XI reaches end of life and all services that authenticate and host player data shut down? Who hosts that? Are developers who want massive open worlds going to be expected, by law, to program a world that plays itself? Bots for NPCs, taking the roles of players, pushing events automatically? I am begging for answers because it keeps feeling like I’m the only one trying to figure out what’s going to happen to the games I play regularly.

Most online only games are online only because they focus on players interacting with other players on a grand scale. They’re a social experience. Demands that it be playable offline defeats the purpose of it existing and we went over the server binaries thing. Nobody is going to jump at the chance to reset their progress for most of these games just for the shot to play it for however long this specific server is alive.

I hope I’m wrong but this entire thing seems like a well intentioned, misguided bomb intent to be dropped in the middle of the industry.

“Yes that’s how laws work”

No. That’s not how laws work. Laws provide detailed steps and instructions that must be followed in specific scenarios. They’re designed like that to avoid loopholes.

“At the point they stop providing service”

Great. So the company shuts down the same day, declares bankruptcy, and is immune to further legislation because it’s dead. You can’t sue the company, it doesn’t exist anymore. Is this the first time you’ve tried to hold a corporation liable?

“I’ve provided plenty of alternatives”

Cite one. You can’t “make guardrails” and expect companies to just figure it out you oaf. That’s like proposing a law that nobody can walk to work because it’s unsafe. How? Who cares! Figure it out everyone!

“GOG can still sell games without DRM”

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? DRM as of right now is how companies can legally allow you to play their game while still retaining the right to modify and alter it after the point of sale. Traditionally, you’d get a game - then nothing. No update. No bug fixes. No dlc. THAT IS WHAT YOU’RE ADVOCATING FOR.

“Games have been patched since forever!”

My brother in Christ, I’ve been playing since before games had online anything. Internet matchmaking in general was a free service included with certain titles. It can’t be provided perpetually and you expecting them to basically open source their net code is absurd.

We have games that cannot work on a LAN model but you’re intent on forcing that model on every game, even if it means killing those games or forcing them to not be made in the first place. That’s what happens when you don’t clearly outline legislation.

That’s the critique. That your well intentions are just unstructured bullshit that can’t be actioned on. You’re just pissed Pirate Software called you out for not having a plan like he does every idiot. Condescendingly.

“Games used to have it but I’m going to ignore why they don’t now and demand it be like it used to be”

You’re bitching about the evolution of games, demanding they return to suit your preference without explaining how.

Congrats, you’re old and out of touch. Or just dumb. I don’t give a shit which, just stop spewing misinformation.

“The initiative doesn’t care”

Right. There is no clear solution to the problem, only a demand for a solution.

“They could release sources/server binaries”

At what point? When is a game legally considered dead and a company legally obligated to provide that? What happens if they just shut down prior to fulfilling it?

“They could patch out their servers and leave local multiplayer or something”

Or something? This is what PS drilled into this initiative for. You don’t actually grasp what you’re asking for or understand what legal measures even exist to enforce them. You have a deep desire to go back to the early 2000s where your data wasn’t really hosted on servers, it was just arena shooter and LAN parties.

Games today are not able to curtail to these absurd demands. Not because they refuse to but because the complexity of what they offer is not easily designed to be replaced.

You don’t like the current model but fail to provide an alternative that can replace it. That’s the critique. It’s beyond childish to look at a problem, offer nothing, then get pissed when someone tells you that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I don’t like that I only own a license to play a game either, but what’s the alternative? If you own the game, they can’t release a patch to fix bugs or it would be a violation of the law for modifying your property. That’s bad.

Lol you not understanding why that can’t happen is what’s sending me. There are so many issues with just the PREMISE of this that you don’t even address.

At what point is a game considered dead? When is a company obligated to provide access? Will the company be legally obligated to release character profiles? If yes, how does one stop third parties from modifying it/cheating prior to hosting? If no, it’s everyone expected to restart ion company death? How will this access be granted or hosted? How long will this need to be available for? Who pays to keep this information hosted for that duration?

There are so many fucking questions unanswered because you seem to think you can just throw fucking LAN ports on a game and it just work. Your brain is stuck in 2004 where all you needed was an IP address and port number. Games aren’t that simple anymore and the ones that are, already fucking have it.

Oh okay then just make private servers for “dead” games. It’s just that easy. What’s your problem then?

You keep contradicting yourself and it’s embarrassing