How do we not have a :latest-fad: emoji!?

Got damn, the us has an estimated population of 340mil…

Good!

It feels like a rare gem, like, they even updated the thread, then deleted it… I didn’t know that could happen in the internet!

When I buy a knife I decide it’s primary purpose. Personally I ship them into the UK to vagrants who use them for self defense in the subways.

I bought my Cutco knife from a yard sale to slice my veggies and my enemies, Cutco is complicit in my crimes!

Hey! I get this joke! Thanks Lenin!

Hell yeah comrade!

Holy shit that newlinesmag article is something else. Fucking wild.

The article says they did just that. Donations from Zionists through Facebook groups.

Toyota should be marketing their pickups as “Lightweight, Tactical, improvised fighting vehicles”.

I had a back forth with someone from ml earlier today about this article, a post they have since deleted. These drones must have been bought between the July 31, 2023 export restrictions on drone tech and the July 2024 adjustments to those restrictions. The drones do not drop bombs, they have a universal mechanism that can drop anything and Israel has created a mechanism to attach to that universal mechanism to drop grenades.

• Ministry of Commerce General Administration of Customs National Defense Science and Industry Central Military Commission Equipment Development Department Announcement No. 28 of 2023 on the implementation of temporary export controls on some drones.
• Ministry of Commerce General Administration of Customs Central Military Commission Equipment Development Announcement No. 31 of 2024 Announcement on Optimizing and Adjusting UAV Export Control Measures.

As it stands now China will not ship these drones to Israel. According to Autel, they have banned the sale of their drones to the entire region. They’ve made two statements on the matter. Here:

• https://www.autelrobotics.com/news/non-military-use-of-autel-robotics-products-statement-2/
• https://www.autelrobotics.com/news/non-military-use-of-autel-robotics-products-statement/

DJI has a similar statement pre 2023:

• https://www.dji.com/newsroom/news/dji-statement-on-military-use-of-drones

On Amazon and other platforms you can not get these drones shipped to Israel:

In the 9 months between the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and the adjustments to drone exports Israel bought 20,000 Chinese made drones (likely through consumer channels) and also relied on civilian donations of drones.

“Soldiers independently launched crowdfunding campaigns,” L. explained. “Our company received around NIS 500,000 (approximately $150,000) in donations, which we also used to buy drones.” C., another soldier, recalled being asked to sign thank-you letters to Americans who had donated EVO drones to his battalion.

In a Facebook group named “The Israeli Drone Pilots Community,” many posts request EVO drone donations for units in Gaza. Multiple pages on Headstart (an Israeli crowdfunding startup) were also created to independently raise funds for drone purchases.

The timeline on this purchase is unclear. It’s also unclear if the changes to the export restrictions are a response to this purchase.

correction: Israel intends to buy 20,000 Israeli made drones.

From everything I’ve read and seen there isn’t currently direct sales of drones from China to Israel.

If I discovered my parents were sitting on millions of dollars after decades of penny-pinching and complaining about finances, I think I might just die. So much of what you described sounds like my parents, and I also have very little perspective on how much they actually have on hand. How did you find out they had all this money kicking around?!

I went on the fucking Israeli Amazon storefront, dipshit; it won’t even let me add them to my fucking cart. Please explain to me how they get the drones. I’ve even debunked my own fucking assumption in the process of trying to tease that process out of you.

Which Chinese drones can they get from Amazon? I just replied to you in another comment and showed that the AUTEL brand drones can’t be shipped to Israel via Amazon, and they have a statement on their website making it clear they will not ship them. https://hexbear.net/comment/6319426

DJI doesn’t appear to ship to Israel either and also has a statement on their website from 2022 about the use of their drones for military operations.

I really don’t care about the links and will not bother reading them as they contradict basic observations.

Oh, I’m sorry! Did I provide you evidence that there are no targeted bans on drones? Why do you think Ukraine can’t “buy drones from China” (again, a process you haven’t even explained)? Is it because they have no functioning economy and no semblance of an operating country because their territory is currently and actively being besieged? Is UPS supposed to roll up on the battle field and drop off a stack of DJI drones from a recently obliterated Amazon Warehouse directly to the Azov Battalion?

We live in a globalized capitalist economy; you could buy DJI drones right now and contact Zelenskyy directly and have them shipped to his doorstep tomorrow if you so wished.

Where does the IDF get their drones sourced from? Resellers? Direct partnerships with AUTEL? China has implemented global restrictions on selling drones and drone technology for the use as weapons. You continue to say that “China is selling drones to Israel,” but all you’ve shown is that Israel is acquiring Chinese drones; how they source them is important here, and you have yet to show how they source these drones. If they are sourcing them through third-party resellers internationally, then that’s obviously different compared to the claim that they’re getting them “from China,” which, again, you haven’t defined in any capacity. Amazon could be that third-party entity that facilitates getting around these export restrictions, which is why it’s relevant. The drones featured in the article you posted are easily acquired from Amazon.

You know, I decided to look at Amazon’s Israeli website, and they won’t even ship AUTEL drones to Israel.

So the question still stands: how does the IDF get the drones? According to Autel, they have banned the sale of their drones to the entire region. They’ve made two statements on the matter. Here:

• https://www.autelrobotics.com/news/non-military-use-of-autel-robotics-products-statement-2/
• https://www.autelrobotics.com/news/non-military-use-of-autel-robotics-products-statement/

China has banned export of commercial drones to Ukraine and Russia because they were being used as weapons.

You keep saying this, and I don’t understand why I’m the only one who sees this framing as bullshit. There are no targeted drone export bans; there are export restrictions on the entire drone industry in China.

• Ministry of Commerce General Administration of Customs National Defense Science and Industry Central Military Commission Equipment Development Department Announcement No. 28 of 2023 on the implementation of temporary export controls on some drones.
• Ministry of Commerce General Administration of Customs Central Military Commission Equipment Development Announcement No. 31 of 2024 Announcement on Optimizing and Adjusting UAV Export Control Measures.

This means that these export restrictions impact Israel as well.

These are global restrictions that impact the entire drone industry in every country. You can read the actual UAV restrictions on their own website. It does not specify any single country in the restriction.

The article makes it clear that these are commercial drones, not weapons. The IOF retrofits those drones with weapons. China should put them on the blacklist, but your framing is still not even supported by the article you posted.