Now that’s a great idea! Using Statler & Waldorf (the old hecklers from the balcony) for Peter Falk’s Grandpa role ought to be hilarious!

I’m gonna be spending hours now trying to figure out which Muppet to assign as each character from TPB - like who gets stuck as Prince Humperdinck (or the six-fingered man)? Thanks… 🙄

EDIT: noticed I somehow dropped the word “or”.

I’d rather my friends than the ones you seem to have with the annoyingly odd behaviors. 🤨

Holy sheet! There’s a pairing I’d never have thought of! Could be amazing, but more likely a complete disaster.

La Forge. Geordi La Forge. Agent double-aught sixty-nine at your service.

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“I don’t wanna grow up, I’m a Toys-R-Us kid…”

Feels like an early performance before they’d even locked down the final version. Interesting video for one of my all time favorite songs - thanks for posting it!

I don’t like musicals because I’m there for a story that’s believable, and that I can relate to - nobody just breaks out in song when they get dumped, for example. Muppets get a pass because I already had to suspend my disbelief in order to even want to watch them.

Looks mighty pissed - must have just as hard a time getting all of it off as we humans do.

Yep, I’m sure that’s absolutely true for most of them. But it’s unlikely to be all of them. If we are to be the better people, then we need to remember not to dehumanize them like they do their victims. Absolutely defend yourself (or whoever they’re after if you’re up for putting yourself in harm’s way), but no more than necessary, or you will be no better than them.

It’s that “when appropriate” which is key, along with “in an appropriate manner.” I absolutely support resisting these thugs (& this “administration” in general), but I fear in the heat of anger it’s all too easy to dehumanize them, which makes our side no better than theirs. Often they even deliberately try to provoke such a response so they are “legally justified” in going over the top in “defending themselves.” It’s a tedious & difficult game to come out ahead on. I feel it helps one restrain emotions and keep from reacting to their provocations if one always tries to keep in mind that their opponent is just as human as we are. Be resolute in resistance, but not violent unless you have absolutely no other choice.

Yeah, the extreme tribalism in this country has gotten so effing tiring to deal with. Each group attacks others using the exact same methods they’re complaining about the others using, and it’s absurd just how cluelessly self-unaware they all are. In the end they’ve all just become bullies, and if their vote didn’t count just as much as mine then I’d be inclined to just leave them to their immature foolishness. Since their votes do matter, I feel like I need to point out the realistic & pragmatic POV whenever I can in hopes of at least keeping them from convincing others to join their tribe.

Might explain why I don’t like tomatoes. I may have to re-examine liking all the things made from them, however…

Oh, I’ve little doubt of that myself. I acknowledged the majority of them were into it in my very first comment, and they’re definitely mostly assholes. Although I try to remember there’s reasons they became that way, I still am not foolish enough to think they’re easily redeemable. However, I would be quite surprised if there weren’t some not insignificant percentage of their staff who are just in it for the easy job that pays reasonably well because they have few other options to survive. There’s always outliers in any grouping - always.

That’s all I wanted to point out - the fact there are still humans behind those masks with a wide variety of backgrounds. This is something that people too easily drop as a factor when making judgements about others. The fact you personally don’t find that “newsworthy” doesn’t mean others don’t need to be reminded of that fact. Just look at all the vitriol based upon exceedingly large and false assumptions about who I am that I’ve received here alone.

Thank you! I needed to hear that because I was beginning to wonder if I was the one in the wrong and just that clueless about it. Your rather succinct summary helped put this into perspective.

I do wonder what you think “the right phrasing” to use might have been to avoid all this drama. As on edge as the entire country seems to have become, I honestly can’t think of a way to say what I did without offending somebody - which is why I led off with “I know I’m gonna get shit for this…” I so miss the days decades ago when we at least would pretend to debate in a civil manner.

LOVE the username, BTW.

Oh, relax - your heart will go on.

It was snatched up in the nanoseconds it took to generate the lower part of the page. You’re just too damned slow, OP!

Interesting read, but there wasn’t even one vaguely sympathetic applicant among them? Don’t you find that the teeniest bit unlikely?

The slant of the article was so blatant and obvious. For example, the one who claimed he wrote papers in college about “the harms of illegals in America” wasn’t asked further about those papers? Riiggghhhhtttt. Either this was an incompetent interviewer, or they had a bias they wanted to confirm when writing this article.

Again, another absolutist - at least you recognize some nuance.

I never said any of this was okay. I did recognize that there are likely some among them who are simply people trying to survive who saw an easy to get job that paid reasonably well & decided to put up with the crap in order to get the money they needed. They aren’t likely educated enough to understand the full moral implications, and too pressured by life’s demands to spend much time caring about them. Once they’re in, I’m sure there’s plenty of “team building” manipulation that helps keep them there.

I’m sure to you that makes them evil, but I think ignoring the fact they’re human just propagates the hate and division. Like I said earlier, I’m sure they’re not saints, but they may not be so far gone that respecting their humanity would be a waste of time. Some of them probably just needed support they weren’t getting elsewhere. If you actually want to change their mind, you’ve first got to understand what got their mind there to begin with. Treating them as subhuman isn’t going to get you very far. You can respect the person without respecting their job.

You gave an average, I gave an average.

I quoted a job posting from a link provided by someone else.

But your massive internalized privilege has left you bereft of a realistic frame of reference for how bad the economic situation really is for so many millions of Americans.You’ve thus normalized, in your own mind, the idea of it being ok for a massive chunk of society to be in a horrendously precarious material and financial position.

Wow, talk about assumptions and leaps in logic! I did no such thing, nor do I believe such things.

Whatever, you’re obviously too enraged to be objective & I’ve gotta go.