Good Security and record Profits are antithetical Ideals.

It’s a lot like Gumball.

Babies are made…

I think that’s the consistency.

I think the best way to respond to this is pointing out that you have pointed out, I think, the only way the Mirror Universe might not be as bad as some of the other options…

So… I don’t think the Mirror Universe is supposed to be a goal?

By hoping to survive WWIII…

If you look here, you’ll find the answer to your question. I actually answered two different questions here, both of which will tell you my opinion on if it is too soon to speak on the matter. Given that I spoke on the matter.

Win the console generation? In terms of computing flexibility, having a console that does more than play a walled garden’s worth of games, and actually contributes to competitiveness in a market dominated by players who are intent on making each of themselves a monopoly? Yes, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt. The same way Valve “won” the handheld PC market, Volvo “won” the automotive safety market, and Johannes Salk “won” the vaccination market by not patenting the Polio vaccine.

I consider that “winning”, but my outlook on what is good for an ecosystem and market is built on the principles of true market economics, growth potential, benefit to all consumers (not just those who purchase a specific product), and having computing devices that aren’t abysmally stuck in one mode despite having a substantial amount of power that could be used for other things.

Will it have the most sales? Probably not, but having the most sales generally means you sacrificed some morals here and there, and Valve doesn’t have a tendency to do that.

I forgot that Gaben is literally all of Valve.

I’m not here to lick Gabe’s boots, I’m here to point out that sometimes, companies do good things. There are a lot of people making money and doing development at Valve, almost none of them are Gabe, but I guess fuck the laborers because their CEO consolidates money and fucks around on the Stock Market.

Yes, Gabe is included in Eat the Rich, but the people that work at Valve shouldn’t be held accountable to to his faults. Conflating the Labor with the Owner is a take though.

Oh, cool, we have defined goals now.

Win the console generation? In terms of computing flexibility, having a console that does more than play a walled garden’s worth of games, and actually contributes to competitiveness in a market dominated by players who are intent on making each of themselves a monopoly? Yes, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt. The same way Valve “won” the handheld PC market, Volvo “won” the automotive safety market, and Johannes Salk “won” the vaccination market by not patenting the Polio vaccine.

I consider that “winning”, but my outlook on what is good for an ecosystem and market is built on the principles of true market economics, growth potential, benefit to all consumers (not just those who purchase a specific product), and having computing devices that aren’t abysmally stuck in one mode despite having a substantial amount of power that could be used for other things.

Will it have the most sales? Probably not, but having the most sales generally means you sacrificed some morals here and there, and Valve doesn’t have a tendency to do that.

Not in it’s actual class, no. It’s going to be far more powerful and useful than the VCS, Evercade, and Polymega. With a fairly low count to compete against looking at Steam Deck sales.

Against the Console giants? Maybe, but it entirely depends on markets and like products. Something you have been so keen to point out. That said, it will absolutely have more computing flexibility than any of the big console makers, it’s the only one compliant out of the gate with the EU Rights and Cybersecurity Resilience acts. Moreover given that there are There are 135 million Monthly users of the Steam services, 123 million on Playstation Network, it’s going to prove that a consumer console company with more users than the Playstation Network has the ability to comply with these regulations.

In at least that metric they’re already doing better than Playstation is. So, I’d say too early to call definitively, however not too early to say it’s going to do better in at least several metrics.

I think it will bring Valve to dominating the console market in their class, a concept that you should be well familiar with, given your clear explanations of how like things should be compared.

Will it outsell the Ps5? Probably not on release, no. Will it be better than the Ps5? Probably, if only because it has broader flexibility.

Will the Steam Box outsell the Atari VCS, Evercade, and Polymega? Almost certainly, but hey, I’m only trying to compare like to like.

Will the Steam Frame outsell the Meta Quest 3 and the HTC XR and Vive Focus? It definitely has the potential to be super competitive if not on top.

Will the Steam Controller be the dominate PC-Console type controller? Maybe, the memory of the Old Steam controller is going to die hard and slowly.

Especially because they are literally known for creating things that sell at a loss and learning profound lessons from the thing they sell.

Also, they’re the most progressive group to not engage in Patent warfare since Volvo made the 3-point seatbelt.

Valve knows how to help an ecosystem grow and pays attention to it’s user base.

The Steam Machine did not sell well, however it gave Steam the bandwidth to work on Proton and SteamOS which ultimately lead to the deck, that did not flop.

Might I interest you in the much lesser well known Steam Link? Also a Desktop-Console-type device. It gave Valve the experience to give us the ability to Stream games to other computers on the network via Steam, thus saving distributed space.

Or the Steam Controller, which is also referenced in the article? They learned lessons and fixed the problems with it for the Deck control scheme, which is now being used to create a better product.

Or the Valve Index, which is also referenced in the article? They learned many lessons by using this as a test bed, that allowed them to make the Steam Frame.

All you have done in this entire thread is indicate that you don’t understand iterative development, and that a company would be willing to make mistakes to learn from them and improve.

Probably point to point WiFi, either for an office in LoS or for a wISP.

If they’re super progressive they might also be letting some hobbyists put a LoRA rig up there.

It’s not rude, on the other hand, I played these games then… I enjoyed these games then… I do not enjoy them now…

The only MMO I can still enjoy is Neocron. There’s an element to actually needing to obtain mastery that doesn’t involve button mashing that I miss from my games. Actual targeting, puzzles and dungeons where having an understanding of the lore is beneficial… that kind of thing.

Well, I just found what to do with my free time in the next couple days! Thanks AngryishHumanoid!

The Steam Deck was a flop? I was unaware.

I think if there are objective specifications of a device, and the device’s specifications are measurably better than another device there’s nothing wrong with comparing the two.

However, the root of my response, which has been so gracefully sidestepped, is regarding the root of the comment that the PS5 is old. Yes, it may be a few years old, but it is still the current console generation.

I guess everyone should just go out and chuck all their old consoles into the giant mountains of E-waste because we should all be setting up to have the newest most powerful thing!

It’s OK, it’s been SUPER modernized. The controls still work, but that old feel is missing.

Sure, it’s old, it’s also the current console generation…

I have seen that Valve has said the Frame will be cheaper than the Index. That would really make it.

This is gonna be good.

Fair point, fair point. :-D