Fantasy of olde: I am powerful and potent and will triumph over alien creatures and discover lost and unknown riches and knowledge instead of my mundane existence reproducing my class.

Fantasy now: I will be discovered by alien creatures and love & be loved by them. I will live a mundane existence reproducing my class.

Yeah. It’s real good. I wish we were federated with more instances, but thats a process and will take time.

Also if the normal invocation of your program produces more than 3k lines of stdout, sanitize it and default to a file.

Only if your fifteen minute comment recorded during the morning commute is transcribed by the most limited speech to text system possible and put as alt text.

I uh actually agree with you almost entirely. Except at the end I’m like “and that’s why it won’t work as protection”.

Software hasn’t been treated like other fields of engineering and all operators have needed for protection from liability was the twin shields of “nothing I could do” and “I was doing nothing” to come out of any courthouse relatively unscathed.

That type of “aww shucks technocracy” is only possible if you do the bare minimum or nothing at all. Once an operator implements some kind of protection (yes, even one with warning labels all over it), both defenses are rendered unusable.

Now that you’ve done something you’re able to be held liable for the effects of what you’ve done and for knowing there was a problem.

The picture gets even murkier when we look at how things are going! Lawsuits against Tesla for their self driving deaths are making waves not because they impugn the dignity of Americas biggest car manufacturer by market cap but because every judge who sees one raises the biggest eyebrow possible at software engineering not being held to the same standard as any other type, both in a court of law and within its own process.

There’s a good chance that software PEs will become a thing (again?) as a result.

The long and short of it is that because the only reason monsters like moot are able to exist is their sly lethargy and looking at the legal storm rolling into software engineering, having something bolted onto the backend like this would be a bad idea.

I think automated tools like this can be put to use though if they were hosted separately and provided with an api that linked up nicely with some moderation queue standard and returned something like “entries 1,5 and 9 are likely csam” back to the moderator. It would at least save the mod from dealing with the material directly.

So I guess I agree but come to the opposite conclusion.

I think you’re off base here. The utopian socialists were arguing against the methods and outcomes of revolutionary socialism, this person is trying their best to explain that this particular tool has serious legal repercussions within the framework we all live under. Those are pretty different.

The reason I see the logic in their arguments is because there’s longstanding legal precedent for misuse of a tool or material because it’s better than nothing to not be a defense even if there are no other options available.

So if you built a car so big no type of shock absorber could handle it cornering at speed and you knew it, using some amazing whiz bang material for shocks isn’t a defense because even though it’s the best thing you knew it wouldn’t work.

Legally speaking, the right choice there is not to make an excessively dangerous vehicle if you don’t want to be held liable for negligence.

It’s also the argument throughout unsafe at any speed although the courts always seem to side with the automakers 🤔

Or if one were to get sued for hosting csam, using the latest whiz bang ai system for detection wouldn’t be a defense or even a point in your favor because you knew it wasn’t a reasonable use of the underlying technologies. You can’t say “judge, I was relying on the ai csam detector!” When the component parts of the ai csam detector have big “prototype, do not use in production” stickers all over them.

Ultimately while these tools might protect mods and users from having to view csam in the moderation process, that’s just one side of the struggle and on its other side they’re a paper shield at best and proof of negligence at worst.

Lay off. This person is right.

We here at hexbear are concerned about protecting people from seeing csam. That’s good. The rest of lemmy is concerned about that and the very real consequences of csam uploads for the sites, which is getting dropped by hosting and registrar and prosecuted for distributing.

There are already cases where that kind of legal dos attack has worked, there’s even cases of anti csam organizations uploading it to reverse image search sites and then serving them papers when the reverse image search site displays the uploaded image to compare with nonexistent results.

The person you’re replying to isn’t trying to fuck shit up, they’re telling you that this tool won’t actually solve the problem it’s marketed for.

E: edited for clarity and kindness

Shame on all the people voting no!

If it involves their lives changing they do not want to have an inclusive space. Liberalism profile 1,3,6,8 and 9.

I mean, they’re right. Adding a big active instance of people who already read and have been training in 10x earths gravity book club discussions will change the experience there.

The question is if they want an inclusive space enough to accept that change.

I uh am a cis man. I’ve been involved in making some physical spaces safer and it was pretty much what the mods do in this nonphysical space. Kicking people out, not accepting bullshit and being accepting of minorities.

There’s no nice way to go about it and we got results with an inclusive strategy and a hard line.

Why the hell aren’t we federated with lit.cafe?

I’m not talking about the veracity of your original claim, whatever that is.

The thing you’re wrong about is that it’s obvious what you’re talking about when you aren’t careful with your nationalist language and present the modern history of Russia in the Black Sea as a book entitled “the quest for a warm water port”.

If it was there wouldn’t be a bunch of people giving your posts the hairy eyeball in written form.

If it was obvious you’d have a bunch of people apologizing for doubting you instead of thoroughly questioning you to figure out what the heck you mean.

And if that questioning was gonna turn up a hapless lib who stumbled into right wing language without knowing, you’d be recognizing it instead of digging your heels in!

The given context is you flattening 200 years and three Russian states into wanting a warm water port.

It’s not unreasonable for a person reading your responses to see that particular form of national essentialism and then you referring to all Russians as wanting that thing and recognizing at the very least someone with extreme nationalism brain.

It’s okay to be wrong here. If you’re okay with it you can move on to something else after learning some shit. If you’re not okay with it you’ll end up dying mad and no one wants that.

You didn’t say “America” though, you said “the Americans”:

Do you get as pedantic if I were to say “the Americans benefited from chattel slavery”

Versus

Saying that black Americans did not benefit from slavery, doesn’t mean that America itself didn’t benefit from slavery.

You had to change your language from the American people to the American state in order to be able to claim that people are putting words in your mouth because they’re not doing that and you conflate people and states all over this thread.

The thing people are trying to get you to not do is conflate people and states because that kind of rhetoric is inherently nationalistic and invites belief in a unified immutable polity where none exists.

It’s the fix for federated csam

Very cool. Would have been a lot cooler if the theater had those seats with flip up arm rests.

More normal people in office.

You make good posts. Don’t worry about what idiots on the internet think.

We should federate with them so they can defederate with us. It’s only fair.

Fr though, if their mods will actually moderate their inevitable stalking and harassment it would be good to stretch out and add another “major” instance to the commie bloc.

Idk how you warn them about that though. “Hey, otherwise upstanding members of your community are gonna go nuts and start looking for trouble with our users. If you’re willing to deal with that, let’s be friends.”

I have a dumb guy question:

What did the ussr do about immigration?

If you got this place everyone is trying to get into because they can, why not give em homes and jobs and build out all those eco socialist projects that want for manpower?

Maybe it’s just too hot in here and my brain isn’t working right…

Oh no, not the constitution!

Stay away fellow hexbears! Let my shrunken corncob shaped corpse be a warning to you all, this poster has the power of the constitution on their side!